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Started by Data, April 07, 2016, 00:01:37 AM

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Snowcrash

My question was asked (rhetorical) as Tesla's reliability is being brought into question and Jaguar don't sell many cars at least in part because of their bad name in reliability.

Tesla model 3 sales seem to be Dec:1550 and Jan:1875.
A little way off of their 20,000 per month target but looking promising.
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Data

I wouldn't really like to speculate on the reliability of the I-PACE or Tesla cars, sure there will be some issues with the odd car here and there but will the stats show EV's being less reliable than ICE cars ?

Logic says less moving parts means less to go wrong.

Tesla have forced other premium car makers to take note and open thier eyes to what can be done and that has to be congratulated in my book.

I started this thread to try to get the the truth about EV's, in doing so it seems that we have blown away some of the myths surrounding the technology while educating myself and others.

With every passing week I am seeing more EV's on our roads, it is happening and I'm sure it will continue to happen, more people will start to consider buying EV's as they become aware of the benefits.

People can be stubborn though and many don't like change, the EV revolution might take a generation to fully happen.

Talk to people and most still think EV's are a gimmick or just no good, sometimes people approach me in car parks and say " Oh you have one of them electric cars, but they are no good are they ? " It is then that I go into "educating mode".   

Carl2

  Simply I want a car to get me from one place to another reliably, the total distance it can travel between charges is a factor, about 200 miles is reasonable. I don't want or need all the extras. The self driving cars is a waste for me but there is a market for it and is being pursued.  They do come up with some interesting questions, do we kill the driver or the pedestrians but it's really not my concern.
Carl2

DaveMorton

What about adding external airbags? :D :P ;)

Kidding. The "morality problem" with self driving vehicles is a manufactured one. We don't address that issue when training Human drivers, do we? It should be "kill or maim the fewest beings", and be done with it. If the number is equal, just flip a bloody coin.
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Carl2

  Well it is a new problem for us people but there are people responsible for other peoples lives, the airplane piolet, captain of a ship, what to do in this situation and those peoples lives.  Nice to be an every day person and not have to think about these things.
Carl2

DaveMorton

Quote from: Carl2 on March 10, 2018, 16:46:32 PM
Nice to be an every day person and not have to think about these things.

But shouldn't we, also, think of these things, Carl? After all, when you drive down the road you're controlling well over a ton of steel, rubber and flammable fuels that can rend the life from people in less time than it takes to sneeze if things get out of control, or something goes wrong. Everyday person or not, you're no less responsible for the machine you operate than that airline pilot or ship's captain, are you?
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Data

Some Fully Charged News:


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What a breath of fresh air, Robert driving the new Leaf on 100% wind power. 


Data

I did some maths a while back if anyone is interested, these are rough figures but in the ballpark - It cost me about £200 in electricity to do 7000 miles in the Leaf, my old ICE car would have cost £1,100 for the same mileage, going on them numbers after 25,000 miles I have saved enough to buy a new L-ION battery. I expect to get around 60,000 to 70,000 miles out of the battery.

Taking all that into account, an ICE car is about 2.5 x more expensive to run than an EV here in the UK, if you have to get a new battery.

Note I haven't taken servicing or road Tax into account here in the figures but if I did then we would be looking at something like 3 x more expensive for ICE. 

Like I said these are rough figures but close enough to blow away the old saying " the batteries are no good ". EV owners are Quids in. 

DaveMorton

So, based on that, the "financial tipping point" for EVs in the UK is already here, and just needs to wait for the "social tipping point" to arrive. This is, indeed, great news. I think that you limeys (Said with love, so don't get upset - I call those folks from Canadia limeys, too, and don't forget, I'm a Yank :P ) will set an awesome example in the days to come. Please tell Her Majesty that I'm very proud, and to please keep it up. :D
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Freddy

Nice  :thumbsup: 8)

I'll let Data tell Liz about it as she's a bit mad with me because I stepped on one of her Corgis the other day.

Data

Will be sure to pass that on to Her Majesty, it might not be in my lifetime but I will not forget  :LOL:

In an attempt to keep it fair and balanced I feel that I must report a teething problem with the new 2018 Leaf.

It is to do with rapid charging and long distance journeys, the Leaf should rapid charge at 50kW and indeed it does on the first few charges of the day but it would seem that after that the charge rate can drop to 22kW, it's quite a big story over here.

I will let Robert explain the rest.

   

DaveMorton

Sawdat. It's (at the time I watched the video) only 2 users out of many thousands of 2018 Leaf users that have reported problems, and it may not even be the same issue between them. Still, as you've said, teething pains. It's bound to happen, I guess. :)
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Data

I just watched the video again and I think Robert has it wrong.

If the 40kWh Leaf charges at 50kW in 40 mins then it should charge at 22kW in 80 to 90 mins and not 4 hours as he said, just saying  ;)

DaveMorton

I had noticed that, too, but I also noticed that he phrased the statement very specifically, and not in a traditional way. He said "... was destined to...", as if he were reporting a fact, rather than indicating an expectation. Could it be that as the batteries got warmer, they took even less than the 22KWh shown in the image? Who knows? There is much to this that is still generally unknown, so we'll just have to wait and see what shakes out.
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