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Cars cheating emission tests

Started by Data, September 28, 2015, 11:58:01 AM

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Data

First it was VW now we hear that Audi have been at it too  :no-no:

What were they thinking, did they really think they would get away with it  :scratch-head:

Who will be next ...

Carl2

  I'd heard about the VW but didn't hear about Audi, had a recall on my Chevy,  seems it was a known problem but swept under the rug for quite a while.
Carl2

Freddy

Yeah I had heard about this, hadn't heard about Audi though.

Data

Skoda are now on the list too:

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-news/industry-news/volkswagen/volkswagens-emissions-cheat-software-scandal-an-explainer/

It looks like any car manufacturer that used the VW EU5 Diesel engines will be effected.

I've never liked Diesel fuel, it is low grade and dirty. 

Snowcrash

All cars, so far, are part of VAG.

I'm waiting for the mud slinging to see if Renault, Peugeot and Citroen are at it too.
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DD1975

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Data

My 46 inch Samsung takes 42 watts, I have tested it with a power meter, I do have the backlight on low though.

Still 42w for a big TV is mighty impressive  8)

Carl2

  Many years ago I had a Ford Thunderbird, at the time there was a regulation that the passenger seat had to lock in place so during breaking the back would not swing forward,  Thunderbird put in an inertia latch so using a latch to manually unlock the back of the seat was not necessary.  I have a dog leash that is  not legal because it is to long, very popular and widely used leash.  I have often heard it said when a new law is passed lawyers will look at the law and see if there are loop holes they can use for there purposes.
  At this time in my life it seems we create so many new laws for our protection it's a wonder we are all not criminals.  After all the car was releasing to much nitrous oxide  ( laughing gas ) maybe they thought it would be funny.
Carl2

Data

Quote from: Carl2 on October 02, 2015, 21:56:49 PM
At this time in my life it seems we create so many new laws for our protection it's a wonder we are all not criminals.  After all the car was releasing to much nitrous oxide  ( laughing gas ) maybe they thought it would be funny.
Carl2

Totally agree with you there Carl2, there are too many laws trying to protect us.
Like you said it is only laughing gas after all.

It feels like we are living in an ever more crazy world, this whole cheating emission test has probably been blown out of all proportion and I was taken in by it, by the media.

Here is a thought, if the cars have lower emission while ticking over (because of the "cheating" software) isn't that a good thing  :scratch-head:

Snowcrash

Laughing gas comment made me smile. It's all in that extra O.

NO  = poisonous
NO2 = laughing gas
NO3 = major ingredient for fertiliser and explosives

CO  = poisonous
CO2 = cool club effect, fire control

We have a 20MPH speed limit in town. I break the law pretty much every day of my life.
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DaveMorton

Quote from: Snowcrash on October 03, 2015, 13:13:58 PM
Laughing gas comment made me smile. It's all in that extra O.

NO  = poisonous
NO2 = laughing gas
NO3 = major ingredient for fertilizer and explosives

CO  = poisonous
CO2 = cool club effect, fire control

We have a 20MPH speed limit in town. I break the law pretty much every day of my life.

With regard to vehicle emissions and "oxides of Nitrogen", the gas that is emitted is NO, which isn't really "laughing gas", and as Snowy pointed out is really very toxic. And I think we all speed from time to time (my rule is 5-10MPH over unless there are cops or children around - adults can look after themselves. :P), so you're in good (or bad, depending on viewpoint) company there, Mate. :D
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Carl2

" nitrogen oxides (NOx) "  is what the article states,  I do remember ages ago when the EGR  (exhaust gas recirculator) was introduced to lower the temperature in the combustion chamber to lower polutions.  I do know that cars did emit laughing gas before this was introduced.

Car exhaust:  "The largest part of most combustion gas is nitrogen (N2), water vapor (H2O) (except with pure-carbon fuels), and carbon dioxide (CO2) (except for fuels without carbon); these are not toxic or noxious (although carbon dioxide is a greenhouse gas that contributes to global warming). A relatively small part of combustion gas is undesirable noxious or toxic substances, such as carbon monoxide (CO) from incomplete combustion, hydrocarbons (properly indicated as CxHy, but typically shown simply as "HC" on emissions-test slips) from unburnt fuel, nitrogen oxides (NOx) from excessive combustion temperatures, and particulate matter (mostly soot).  Again the symbol NOx rather than a definite Nitrogen oxygen combination.
Carl2

Data

If nothing else I feel like I've had a chemistry lesson from this topic  :D

Data

Another car manufacturer getting a huge fine, they rightfully deserve it, just a shame really that we all had to be poisoned a little before action was taken.   

QuoteAudi has been fined €800m (£700m) to settle an investigation by German prosecutors into breaches of diesel emissions rules.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45876624


Carl2

  I get the feeling a lot of manufacturers feel they will still have a very large number of people to buy there gas engines.  In a video dealing with Tesla it was said all the equipment to build engines is an asset they will use as long as possible.  Unfortunate but we deal with a business whose concern it to make a profit.
Carl2