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Started by Carl2, September 09, 2015, 22:57:12 PM

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Carl2

   I began looking into using a 5820 CPU and thought of liquid cooling.  A quick look at liquid cooling and I chose the Intel brand which sells for $80.  Of the 16 reviews 1 failed after 1 year, many complaints about noise.  The warranty is for 3 years.  It seems this is a sealed unit so we never have to worry about loss of cooling fluid.
  Thermaltake has a review dating to 2006 in which they put a liquid cooling system into a case, it is closer to what I would expect to see, cold plate, pump, reservoir and the radiator.   They put everything into the case where as I would move as much as possible outside the case to reduce damage to electronics as much as possible. The link for the review is      http://hexus.net/tech/reviews/chassis/6747-thermaltake-armor-lcs-liquid-cooling-system/
  I'm wondering about product liability but possibly it would not apply to companies located outside the US.
Carl2

Freddy

That's a serious case. Might it be a bit outdated now ? I mean would you use all those drive bays ? Having said that my non expert opinion is that it seems to be cool and quiet and you have plenty of space for leads and tubes.

I found this video.


Data

#2
Never used liquid cooling myself, have always overclocked without it but I've never been an extreme overclocker so not felt the need for it.
 
Never run two or more graphics cards close together either so again no real need for it there.

There is obviously a risk when using liquid coolant, even the best people at it using some of the best equipment can get leaks.

I've been on overclocking forums over the years, you will tend to find someone that's had a leak, it does happen sometimes.

Question is do you want to take the risk ?

Can't really add any more to the debate other than to say, it's not for me.

This video, 11 years without a problem but then ...

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EDIT:
Given a choice I would go for a heatpipe configuration, the downside being you need a large case to house them on an X99 motherboard. They are huge.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835709004&cm_re=Phanteks_PH-TC14PE_RD_140mm_UFB-_-35-709-004-_-Product

Carl2

  Thanks for putting the video's in they are much better than the link I provided.  Somehow I get the feeling that Data someday will decide it's time to move on and get into the 6 and 8 core CPU's. 
  Freddy's vid shows what I consider to be one of the most important parts the cold plate that sits on the CPU and transfers the heat to the water.  To me it is the most dangerous parts since its closest to the motherboard.  It is nice in the fact that it is clear plastic so you can see it is filled with coolant but I also read a review that the plastic cracked. 
  Other solutions, I've heard that the electric companies use oil filled transformers so if we have oil that is not conductive we may have a mess but not a fried motherboard.  There are also diodes that are available that can move heat from one surface to another.  And of course as Data mentioned we have the heat pipes for air cooling.  Written enough for now, sit back and think about this.
Carl2

DaveMorton

Quote from: Freddy on September 09, 2015, 23:15:35 PM
That's a serious case. Might it be a bit outdated now ? I mean would you use all those drive bays ?

I would... :P :D
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Freddy


Data

Quote from: Carl2 on September 10, 2015, 12:57:47 PM
Somehow I get the feeling that Data someday will decide it's time to move on and get into the 6 and 8 core CPU's. 

You're not wrong Carl2, when I find something that my little i5 can't do then a 6 or 8 core would be my choice.

Carl2

   I must be in the wrong place at the wrong time once again, Dave wants a sealed self contained liquid cooler, Data is staying with his i5 which is what the majority of people I know use, people who use AI prefer to have the avatar to be a machine rather than a person as I like because they don't want to be tricked although the purpose of the testing is to see if another person can tell weather it is a person or machine.
  Anyways I begun finding some Air Cooling for the LGA 2011-v3 motherboard and I am seriously considering them.   This is the best info as to the cooling ability I'm given  " capable of cooling up to 300W "
Carl2

Carl2

  This discussion started with Solid state drives, moved to PC build with M.2 support, then moved to Liquid cooling.  After looking at the products on the market, all of which seemed to have moved to sealed, plastic metal combination.  I'm not sure if I am ready for this yet and have begun looking at the air cooling for the safety of the electronics  although liquid cooling has advantages of better cooling and smaller size.
I have found the Cooler Master Hyper 612 V2    Dimensions  L 5.5,W 4,H 6.3  which is made for the motherboard and cpu.  If there is enough space in the case perhaps I can move away from the liquid.
Carl2

Data

I would agree with your Carl2.

Found a little video of the cooler, does look nice  8)




DaveMorton

That does look sexy! :thumbsup: But I think I'll stick to my liquid setup. ;)
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Carl2

The prices for the 6 and 8 core computers see to be extremely high which seems to be the thing for the latest and greatest.  Newegg shows the Hyper 612 V2    selling for 111 and 102 but provides no specifications or reviews.  Newegg also has a liquid cooling unit Deepcool Gamer Storm Captain, a self contained unit for 79, both good and bad reviews, one of the largest complaints is the tubing is to stiff. Things are still developing for the LGA 2011 v3 motherboard.
Carl2

Data

I've used Arctic Cooling heatsinks in the past, they work well and are better value.

According to their website they have 4 versions for LGA 2011 v3. 

http://www.arctic.ac/uk_en/products/cooling/cpu.html?cpu_socket_intel=91

Carl2

Data,
  Very good find,  I tried one size larger but it is to large so I'm back to the Freezer i11 which should fit in the case nicely.  Liquid cooling does have the advantage of being smaller and having better cooling but I'm not satisfied with them yet after reading the reviews.  Be nice to have the best of both, like making the heat pipes be tubing which carries water to the fins for cooling.  I'm pretty sure I'm not loading down computers in my usage, the whole idea is really an overkill but I'm so curious about the combination of the 6 core with the M.2. 
  Carl2

DaveMorton

Carl, you just described what heat pipes are, really. Those copper pipes contain metallic salts suspended in water that are actually much more efficient at transferring heat energy than water (or copper, for that matter) alone. Just about the only means of making these solutions more efficient is to make them actively circulate between the heat source (the CPU/GPU) and the cooling fins, but that requires a pump, and the aforementioned salts are too corrosive to non-metallic parts to work for long without causing leaks; thus, most liquid cooling systems use glycol-based liquids or water, instead.
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