Finally, someone else who agrees and elegantly states why this "climate change" debacle is nothing other than trying to pry funds from agencies that have it for others that don't!!

Climate is Cyclical and has been for eons! Nothing we do here is going to impact whatever the sun, Earth, and the cosmos decide to do! Otherwise, it's just misinformed people yapping and spinning their wheels instead of just enjoying life and letting nature take care of itself. Reporting a hurricane is one thing...stopping it is another thing altogether!

Thanks Art I needed a good laugh    

Of course I think the video is mostly BS but very amusing none the less, I agree the planet does have a natural warming and cooling cycle but we have never seen this amount of CO2 in the atmosphere before, humans are to blame for the very high amounts. We see a lot of doubters coming out of Australia for some reason, that's a bit odd  

I think we should have a look at some of the scientific evidence.  

Global CO2 atmospheric concentration

Average temperature anomaly, Global



Humans are pumping out a LOT of CO2, CO2 is at extremely high levels of concentration and the global temperature is rising with it.  

As pointed out, Consensus is not a scientific fact, neither is a graph on a paper from who knows where.

Just saying but science is science. Look at how many more people were born since the 1950's to present and they are using more resources but...

Let's take a look at our Earth's AIR: Showing CO2 to be just 4 hundredths of one percent (.04). That's a pretty small amount in comparison.

Those other graphs are dubious at best considering the source.

Not getting into a mine is better than yours but just tossing in an opposing point of view.

Quote from: Art on February 24, 2021, 05:06:44 AM
As pointed out, Consensus is not a scientific fact, neither is a graph on a paper from who knows where.

Hmm, but science is the best evidence we have and the Consensus between the worlds top scientises is overwhelmingly in favour of humans causing global warming.

Quote from: Art on February 24, 2021, 05:06:44 AM
Those other graphs are dubious at best considering the source.

I would strongly disputer that but OK lets see directly from Nasa, is Nasa's website good enough for the doubters I wonder, either way the data is exactly the same, CO2 levels have doubled in a short space of time. 

https://climate.nasa.gov/climate_resources/24/graphic-the-relentless-rise-of-carbon-dioxide/

They can also tell where the CO2 has come from and the scientific evidence is strongly pointing to the burning of fossil fuels.



ALL graphs that I can find have the CO2 at over 400 parts per million now, are they all dubious I wonder. 

Global temperature has also risen at the same time as CO2 levels. Just coincidence to the doubters.

Personally I would rather trust in the Consensus among the worlds scientists then I would trust in an Australian Sky News echo chamber.

Of course we can only look at the data and draw conclusions from it but wouldn't it be better to err on the side of caution with something that is so important ?

I know what side of the fence I'm on 

Again, they're referring to the 400 parts per 1,000,000 ratios. That's a 0.04 percent concentration (4 hundredths of 1 percent).

CO2 levels in outdoor air typically range from 300 to 400 ppm (0.03% to 0.04%) but
can be as high as 600-900 ppm in metropolitan areas.  CO2 is produced by body metabolism and is a normal component of exhaled breath. It also results from the burning of fossil fuels and natural sources such as volcanic eruptions and forest fires.

OSHA (Occupational Safety and Health Administration has established a PEL (Permissible Exposure Limit) of 5,000 ppm which is (0.5%) 1/2 of 1 percent for an 8-hour work exposure period. That's 12.5 times the 400 ppm.

10,000 ppm (1%) typically has no effects except for a few cases of possible drowsiness.

15,000 ppm can cause some mild respiratory responses in some people.

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While I agree that more people equal a larger carbon dioxide production, we can't control volcanos, forest fires, and other disasters. Until more people buy into the notion that EVs will help in a positive way, it will take time before the fossil-fueled vehicles are phased out, if ever.

What I don't cater to is every politician exclaiming that the Sky is Falling like Chicken Little, with regard to some Global Warming notion. Sure, more people equal more CO2 being released. Do you want more Oxygen? Tell those nutjobs to quit with the deforestation of jungles and tree resources everywhere on the planet! Yes, some plants do not take in as much CO2 as we originally thought but they do still require it to live.

Trees take in CO2 and release O2. Makes sense. Wind, Water, and Solar generation are great resources for sure but the use of fossil fuels is not ever going completely away. Diminish yes, but disappear...no.

I'm just trying to show that this 400 ppm statement of extreme worry is of some concern but not worth losing sight of the facts. Perhaps an early warning is the only thing that will wake up some people to the potential of doing nothing but we're not going to stop it all at once and the Earth and Sun are going to continue to do what they've been doing for eons. The cyclic nature of warming and cooling will go on no matter which side of the fence one happens to be on.