It seems to me that electric cars can sometimes get worse press than they might actually deserve, I found it quite refreshing to stumble across this video that has a more positive viewpoint.
It's also about time I made an electric car thread.
Did a bit of research on public charging places across the UK and was quite surprised how many there are now, I believe every city has multiple charging points.
UK Charging Points Map (https://www.zap-map.com/live/)
Yes even Lincoln gets charging points after Top Gear famously pointed out they didn't have any.
http://www.autoblog.com/2011/08/04/nissan-top-gear-here-have-two-chargers/ (http://www.autoblog.com/2011/08/04/nissan-top-gear-here-have-two-chargers/)
Anyway, Here's the video:
https://youtu.be/DqTA_gA7exs
Very interesting vid, guess you'd actually have to get in and drive one. It would be nice to see what they are doing with batteries and how much room they take up.
Carl2
I can answer your question I think Carl2.
The battery is in the floor of the car:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/ae/2013_Nissan_Leaf_cutaway_(2).jpg)
And the battery is "Laminated lithium-ion" technology, which is an improvement over standard "lithium-ion".
Here is a video about possible future battery technology, quite interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW1Xugey8j0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW1Xugey8j0)
I could do with one of those batteries in my mobile.
Data,
Thanks for finding that, lots of useful info. Perhaps with the need for electric batteries used for electricity grids we will make gains in the electric batteries used in cars. I keep thinking the fuel needed to propel a space rocket is the majority of the weight.
Carl2
The Tesla model 3 is out now.
https://www.teslamotors.com/en_GB/model3 (https://www.teslamotors.com/en_GB/model3)
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/tesla-already-lowering-model-3-expectations-two-key-194258835.html (https://www.yahoo.com/tech/tesla-already-lowering-model-3-expectations-two-key-194258835.html)
Nice advertising but at 35,000 I'd probably put the money into a luxury car which I wouldn't do. I do like the 215 miles per charge, available late 2017. Give them a few years to get the bugs out. According to what I learned electricity is the most expensive forms of energy, gas prices are half of what they had been.
Carl2
The Tesla is a nice looking car but way out of most people price range, where as you can get a 1 to 2 year old secondhand Nissan LEAF for around £7000, to my mind, in reach of most people.
Carl2, you yanks are very lucky with the price of your petrol (gas). In Europe we pay a lot more, over here an electric car cost roughly as much to fuel as a very economical small engine diesel car.
We save money in other ways if we go electric, road tax and servicing.
However that might get canceled out with a need for a new battery. It is hard to find an exact life expectancy of the battery, some people have got 60,000 miles out of them already, it would take me a long time to do that amount of miles.
I attended a career fair at the college last Friday, and found that Tesla had a booth there. As it turns out, the batteries for Tesla's cars are made nearby, and they were looking for warehouse workers for their Reno facilities. Of course I'm too old and broken to do that sort of work, but it was fun to think about. :)
Since my cousin pasted away I do very little driving, he's not that far away but it adds up. The cars been pretty good and I'm trying to take care of problems before they happen. They have made so many improvements in cars since I started driving and some things are totally different.
I guess I'd want to test drive a new Electric car so I'd have something to compare it to before looking at the used Elecrtic cars. It's possible my car could outlast me but for now I think I'd stick with the gas cars and let the manufactures find some of the problems that people run into, also the service techs have to learn about how to service them.
Carl2
Near future, hybrids are a better option. Battery tech is getting there but there's been no big innovations since lithium was introduced. I think the stats are 40 years to get 4 to 5 times energy density. Moore's law it isn't.
The new tech coming through seems to be on how quickly you can charge a battery.
Hydrogen fuel cells are still looking good or maybe some new hybrid between these and batteries.
The infrastructure is there already for plugin cars across the UK, with thousands of charging points. They are relatively cheap to install, the electricity is there already under the pavements. There are something like 67,000 electric cars on our roads already in the UK.
To my mind the future is here, we just need to embrace it, maybe make a couple of life style changes along the way.
Hydrogen fuel cells, where is the infrastructure ?
The future is electric cars, we all know this.
My next car will be electric, watch this space
[ :driving: ]
67,000 out of 34,000,000.
It's a start.
Indeed Snowy, we are at the start.
People who just use their cars for shopping and visiting aunty Flow on Sundays or do few miles to work really could switch to electric right now, they should have few problems with the technology. I fully understand that some businesses like delivery drivers or long distance stuff need something else.
Lets see how these electric car stats increase over time.
QuoteThe last three years have seen a remarkable surge in demand for electric vehicles in the UK – new registrations of plug-in cars increased from 3,500 in 2013 to more than 58,000 at the beginning of April 2016
It is quite hard to get exact figures, some of what I've posted might not be exactly correct.
http://www.nextgreencar.com/electric-cars/statistics/ (http://www.nextgreencar.com/electric-cars/statistics/)
I just did a search for electric cars in the US, the first website was from 2013-14, The Nissan Leaf seemed to have no completion, very easily the largest seller. The next website was for the electric cars being sold in 2015, giving Prices, Efficiency, Range, Pics, More. it covers hybrid and 100% elec. Ranges go from 80 miles to 110, prices seem to be 25,000 to over 30,000, this is from the better models and a vehicle that still resembles a car.
It seems that " you'll add just about 4 miles of charge or driving range in one hour of charging " and you should buy an "Electric Vehicle Service Equipment" (aka EVSE) and this increases the miles added per hour to about 11 to 22, the cost for the EVSE is about 1000.
Carl2
Quote from: Carl2 on April 11, 2016, 13:39:05 PM
I just did a search for electric cars in the US, the first website was from 2013-14, The Nissan Leaf seemed to have no completion, very easily the largest seller. The next website was for the electric cars being sold in 2015, giving Prices, Efficiency, Range, Pics, More. it covers hybrid and 100% elec. Ranges go from 80 miles to 110, prices seem to be 25,000 to over 30,000, this is from the better models and a vehicle that still resembles a car.
It seems that " you'll add just about 4 miles of charge or driving range in one hour of charging " and you should buy an "Electric Vehicle Service Equipment" (aka EVSE) and this increases the miles added per hour to about 11 to 22, the cost for the EVSE is about 1000.
Carl2
Carl2, some good info there, thanks :)
I found this video made by a chap that has had a 1st gen Nissan Leaf for a year now, he gives his opinion well I think, all the pros and cons.
! No longer available (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muduT_0t7i4#)
Very good film, nice to hear from a user rather than the advertising department. I noticed he's getting some free electricity at work. It's interesting that the higher speeds decrease the efficiency (mpElectricty)possibly some gearing would help that.
I can not recall seeing any charging stations anywhere but again I had never looked for any.
Carl2
Quote from: Carl2 on April 12, 2016, 12:54:32 PM
It's interesting that the higher speeds decrease the efficiency (mpElectricty)possibly some gearing would help that.
I believe that is caused by regenerative braking, city driving is a lot of speeding up and slowing down, the slowing down puts energy back into the battery, that can't happen as much on long distance driving on freeways.
Free charging: I had to look into that and again I'm pleasantly surprised, many cities all over the world have FREE, yes free charging points. In Brighton where I live the charging points are free to use for the public.
QuoteThere are electric vehicle charging points around Brighton & Hove. These are free to use for any electric vehicle that needs to park while charging.
http://www.brighton-hove.gov.uk/content/parking-and-travel/parking/electric-vehicle-charging-points (http://www.brighton-hove.gov.uk/content/parking-and-travel/parking/electric-vehicle-charging-points)
I was able to get some Info about the efficiency of electric motors from the internet.
"Most electric motors are designed to run at 50% to 100% of rated load. Maximum efficiency is usually near 75% of rated load. Thus, a 10-horsepower (hp) motor has an acceptable load range of 5 to 10 hp; peak efficiency is at 7.5 hp. A motor's efficiency tends to decrease dramatically below about 50% load. However, the range of good efficiency varies with individual motors and tends to extend over a broader range for larger motors, as shown in Figure 1. A motor is considered underloaded when it is in the range where efficiency drops significantly with decreasing load. Figure 2 shows that power factor tends to drop off sooner, but less steeply than eficiency, as load decreases."
I'm sure the manufacturer has this info and it's likely he had special motors made to his specifications. Also I certain this is for AC motors while cars would be using DC motors but I'm sure DC motors would have similar efficiencies.
I also learned they have electric motorcycles but they are pretty expensive.
Carl2
Carl, is this (https://www1.eere.energy.gov/manufacturing/tech_assistance/pdfs/10097517.pdf) the source you're citing? Just curious.
Dave,
That is the source.
Carl2
thanks. I found it to be an interesting, if somewhat technical, read. :)
Gas engines have efficiency and power curves also that varies with RPM, the gas burning cycle varies between 600 rpm and about 3000 rpm so we have a lot of unburnt gasses. I'm not sure of the latest technologies but I'd guess it is brushless motors with semiconductors connected to the windings.
Carl2
I do like the idea of zero emission vehicles but I feel there are some serious issues with battery tech.
The problems as I see them.
1) Assuming all cars being equal on cost to manufacture and running, there is not enough materiel in the world to be able to give everyone who has a car an electric car due to the battery. I think the main lacking element is Cobolt (http://www.chemicool.com/elements/cobalt.html). There are some techs coming through with Lithium/Iron but they're not here yet.
2) Charge rate. Again, some interesting tech coming through with variations of Lithium batteries. Having to wait 12 hours for a full charge is often not practical.
3) Energy density. This is a function of volume/storage capacity/weight. This is going up all the time but (sketchy figures here) only at about 5% per year. We really need this to improve and there's no Moore's law in place. This is your range.
4) Where the energy comes from. To made this tech truly green, the electricity needs to come from green sources. At the moment manufacturing costs (both $$ and green issues) are the main limiting factors. I've put this 4th on purpose.
All in all it's down to the battery.
Most things I see don't seem to mention super capacitors and energy recovery systems. I see this as a complimentary tech that will prolong the range of a vehicle. The energy density of super caps is limited but they can charge/discharge rapidly.
Some interesting points there Snowy and I agree with 1 and 3 but not 2 and 4.
I agree the batteries should and will get better over time, Nissan have already taken a couple of steps in improving the batteries on the leaf, these newer batteries can be fitted into a 1st gen leafs, no need to get a new car, as the technology improves electric car owners should be able to swap out the batteries.
2.
Rapid charging or super charging is faster:
QuoteNissan LEAF can charge its lithium-ion battery from 0% to 80% in approximately 30 minutes using a rapid charger; using an approved Home Charging Unit either 8 hours for a 16A unit, or 4 hours using a 32A unit.
Do you always fill up to the top with petrol ?
4. My favorite argument really, putting it simply, its better to take the smog out of our cities and move it out of town, I might even get on my bike then but as things are I would rather smoke then cycle through one of our smog infested towns. Wouldn't it be good to go into town and not smell the exhaust fumes.
It's funny but the more I look into this the more people I find that have electric cars and actually like them, a lot. :scratch-head:
Ok, rapid charging is further ahead than I thought. Hope the battery capacity holds!
QuoteDo you always fill up to the top with petrol ?
With less than 100 mile range... yep. And generally yes, so I don't have to got to the station too often.
I put number 4 in as a side issue as, as a species, we need to get away from an oil economy. Hydrogen economy is banded around but not electric economy (I don't know if that could work). Either way electric cars would have their place.
Seems to me that this is more about changing peoples preconceptions about electric cars than proving if electric cars are any good.
100 mile range before charging seems fine to me, ok I always do small trips but I would be happy with that. Thousands of charging points across the UK now, free charging in Brighton, never go to a petrol station again, no road tax, little servicing needed, cleaner air in our cities.
It's pros and cons :good-bad:
I was thinking how unpractical an electric car could be for people that have to park their cars in the street at night, running a charging lead across the pavement over night isn't very practical. That could be a large concern for some people.
Have a look at this video about the Tesla S, some good info in there.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXAkuXMZ2BU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rXAkuXMZ2BU)
A couple of things here:
1.) Battery capacity and "charge memory":
A lot of (and probably most, though almost certainly not all) types of rechargeable battery types have an issue with "charge memory", where over time, they'll only ever charge up to the level that they're charged to, if constantly not "topped off". If all you ever do is quick-charge a battery to 80% of charge, eventually, that's all you'll ever be able to charge it to. This is most common with cordless tools that have older style lithium batteries, but is still an issue with the newer versions, though to a lesser extent. From time to time, you need to completely discharge these batteries, then fully recharge them to prevent charge memory from taking hold. I'm willing to bet that this could also be an issue with the cobalt-based batteries in EV's, too.
2.) "Green" power:
While it's certainly preferable to use 100% green sources to recharge EV batteries, that's simply not possible at the moment, so it's essential to take a look at other sources for now, but it needs to be born in mind that some sources are worse for the environment than using (newer) petrol powered vehicles. Coal powered plants (and yes, my country, and more specifically, my state, are the "top sinners" here) are certainly not a viable option for EV recharging sources, but other "green" sources are also less than viable, such as hydroelectric. In the hydro example, there may not be any carbon emissions involved, but there are other ways that they damage the environment, such as water temperature increases due to friction within the turbines and other system components, AND the disruption of the natural drainage of the area in which the HE plant is location, and the disruption to and displacement of fish and other aquatic species. I could go on here, but a lecture on ecology isn't really the goal here.
@Data: I agree that a big part of the "fight" here is in educating people about options and consequences with regard to using EV more (as well as those of NOT using them), and the effect on not only the environment, but also the economy, and our culture.
re: charging cords across pavement - What if there was tech made available to provide inductive charging, just like those for Wii controllers, or some smart phones? Then the charger could be put WITHIN the pavement, and no wires or cables at all. :D
I thought the memory issue with batteries was for NiCad batteries and was due to crystal build up within the battery.
As far as I know, Lithium (ion, polymer) does not suffer with this but the capacity of a 3-5 year old battery is about 50%. I think this is due to fracturing of the compounds. With a decent recycling regime at least all the compound would be reused. Lithium being more readily available (South American countries would be economic winners) than Cobolt and any other weird and wonderful elements.
Parking is also an issue (pro) as the charging point gives free parking. But I only know of 2 bays near Brighton Town Hall and 2 more up near me (Withdean Stadium) next to the Park & Ride terminal. There maybe others.
Just checked (http://www.brighton-hove.gov.uk/content/electric-vehicle-charging-points-map). There are 4 more, 2 by the Pier, 2 by the Level. 8 in total.
Since I worked in electronics on a project that used NiCad batteries to power an electric motor, and the batteries were charged at a very high rate I'm familiar with some of the problems. The manufacture of the batteries also supplied a " coulometer " That was to measure the current taken out of the battery and to allow that current to be put back in quickly giving a full charge. The battery is made up of 10 cells each providing 1.2 volts making a total of 12 v to power the motor. When first made each cell is to be equal to the other cells but with wear through continued use and aging the weakest cell continues to get weaker. The final result is after a new recharge we have 12 v but when we use the battery the weakest cell has lost it's ability to supply current, and the battery voltage drops, with continued usage the cell begins to charge negatively. This is the memory effect that is mentioned. The lead acid battery used in cars consist of 6 cells of 2v each will also display this memory effect and is usually called to as a dead cell.
One of the worst things you can do if a car won't start is continue turning the key until the motor no longer turns.
I don't subscribe to discharging the battery fully, it's best to find that weak cell and charge it individually. In reality you should replace the battery.
Sorry for the length but I've just scratched the surface. Guess well have to wait 7 to 10 years to see how the electric cars make out.
Carl2
Carl, what you've described regarding lead/acid batteries is one of the two ways to get a "dead cell". The other is when continued shock (both physical and thermal) and vibration cause some of the lead within a cell to break off from the framework that holds it, creating a short circuit between the plates in that cell. If the break is below the level of the acid, it just causes that cell to completely discharge, and s relatively safe, though it ruins the battery. If, however, this happens above the battery's acid level, the results can be pretty spectacular. the high current spark generated when it shorts out ignites the Hydrogen Sulfide gas within the battery and causes a fairly large explosion within the cell which can literally rip the battery apart. It's a really rare occurrence, but I've seen it happen twice in my career as a mechanic. Sadly, one of those times, my face was in close proximity to the top of the battery, and with no eye protection (I was working the carb on an old Buick, trying to get some fuel into it while a friend was pushing the starter pedal {yes, the starter "switch" was on the floor}). The explosion sent me to the hospital, and very nearly took my sight permanently. As it was, my eyes were bandaged for over a week, and I was effectively blind for another 3 days after that. NOT pretty. I learned my lesson, though. No more working on cars without proper eye protection. :)
Dave,
I didn't realize you were a mechanic, some of my best friends were mechanics. Anyways I'm not sure what you were referring to, basically I was saying if the car doesn't start don't kill the battery. Then I went on to say if ( and this is talking about a series of NiCad cells ) measuring the voltages find the weak cell and charge it individually.
In a car battery everything is sealed in one package and there is not much that can be done, now you can bring it to an auto store where they can test the battery and alternator.
I'm still learning about the electric cars, seems they can use about any motor, ac or dc, brushes or dc without brushes. Since they have a whole floor filled with batteries I'm wondering how these are wired. I actually don't even know the voltage of 1 cell of a lithium battery.
Sorry to hear about your misfortune Dave.
Carl2
That misfortune was over 30 years ago, so no worries. All I have to remember it by are a couple of small scars on my face, and a deeper respect for safety practices, so it's all good. :) I was a mechanic for over 25 years, before my hands and shoulders gave out, preventing me from being productive enough to keep at it. After that, I've just tried different fields (cab driver, casino change person, etc.), but nothing really fueled my psyche as much as web development and graphic design, so that's what I'm working toward. I think it would be interesting, and certainly more cost effective to the consumer if car batteries were modularized, allowing for individual cell replacement, but then Walmart couldn't charge $100 for a small, under-powered battery for a Yugo. :D :P Perhaps with enough tech breakthroughs in EV battery technology, the lead/acid batteries in gas/diesel cars could go the way of the dinosaur.
It's been a journey of discovery for me this thread. I still want an electric car, for me the pros do thrash the cons.
Went into Brighton town center today kept my eyes open for an electric car, didn't see any, them 8 public chargers will be all mine ;D
Interesting but I find myself filled with questions, a look for info on lithium batteries shows 12 volt batteries, an impressive 99 WH battery for 529, weight 3.5 lb. Since it is an automotive part it probably has a lifetime warranty which means when it fails the lifetime has ended, joke.
Since we are dealing with nice clean electricity I tried to found out how the electricity I buy is generated but was unable to.
Carl2
The batteries in the electric cars come with a warranty, if we look at the Nissan Leaf for example it has a 5 year or 60,000 mile warranty on the battery.
QuoteNissan LEAF battery packs are warrantied against a capacity loss of 9 bars (approximately 70 per cent of the battery pack's original capacity) for a period of 60 months or 60,000 miles.
Renewable or green energy production needs to increase and it will over time, I believe :)
For me this is also about getting pollution out of our towns, the places we live in, when I got into town these days I smell the fumes, if there were more electric cars on the road that would reduce pretty quickly.
This is going a little off topic but what the heck. :D
Interesting energy density comparison (http://www.epectec.com/batteries/cell-comparison.html).
A lead acid cell is 2.1v to 2.3v (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lead%E2%80%93acid_battery) depending on the electrolyte. Lithium Ion appears to be 3.3v to 3.7v (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium-ion_battery).
Some good info there Snowy :)
Correct me if I'm wrong but it seems lithium ion gives the best energy density to date for rechargeable batteries.
Excellent info at that site, and the lithium battery shows light weight, small size, low internal resistance and can be recharged in 1 hours time. Going from 8 hours at 16 A, 4 hours at 32 A, 1 hour at 128 A should be what needs to be put in.
Even charging at 32 A means major rewiring plus special purpose wire and connectors. I wonder how many amps can be taken from the public access recharge stations.
Carl2
Lower voltage could be a little problem for some countries that have it, the USA springs to mind, pretty sure we have almost double the voltage in Europe.
Superchargers found on our motorways in the UK can supply up to 225 amps , it must result in a much faster charge.
In the US we have 120 Volts supplied by the standard wall outlet, for the stove there is a 3 phase outlet that supplies 220 volts. The voltages are thought to be constants and the current A is dependent on the resistance or load.
I'm not sure what size wire would be used to carry 225 amps, there is a table you'd go to, The wire for 128 amps was pretty heavy. Nice to see that England is prepared for the electric car, looks like you're leading the way.
Carl2
Lithium ion in it's various guises is by far the best for energy density.
Europe is all 230V AC (UK nearer 240V) single phase and 400V (UK 415V) three phase. Standard ring/loop of 32A which would give 96A three phase. (3 x 6mm²). Cable current loads diagram. (http://www.energy-solutions.co.uk/technical-information)
225A at 60C (140F) would be 150mm² cable. Hmmm! I've played with 24mm². Or 35mm² if you run it at 200C (390F).
I still like the idea of hydrogen fuel cells (http://www.orionairsales.co.uk/hydromax-fuel-cell-generator-12v--180w-12v-4575-p.asp?gclid=CPDA_I-hnswCFRIUGwodYBoMFg). You can buy them now but not very good yet. 180W out of a 9kg unit that uses 1.25 litres per kW/h.
Nice reference page, Snowy. I like that there is a conversion chart for AWG to mm2. That helps, because I'm quite familiar with AWG sizes.
Hydrogen fuel cells, yes agreed, one day.
I believe this is a 225amp in action.
(https://chargedevs.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Tesla-Supercharger-2-Jeff-Cooper-CC-BY-2.0.jpg)
Carl2, I don't the UK is much further ahead then the US in reality, I know you guys have a much larger area to cover, these things take time.
Norway are the leaders today.
http://gas2.org/2016/01/21/electric-car-sales-surge-in-norway-during-2015/ (http://gas2.org/2016/01/21/electric-car-sales-surge-in-norway-during-2015/)
Actually, on a per-capita basis, you lot are far ahead, but as you say, these things take time, and we Yanks are a bit slow to adopt things that are good for us if it means even the tiniest amount of inconvenience, or even minor changes to our lifestyles. :sign-sad:
I think I heard more about electric cars a few years ago when gas was about $4, gas prices are now less than $2 and I haven't heard much about the electrics. The city may own a few electric cars and we have Ford and Chevy offering what ever you like.
Carl2
I was wondering if we could get from John O' Groats to Lands End in an electric car these days, for those that might not know the journey is from one end of our island to the other.
(http://www.endtoend.info/jogle/route/summary.gif)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOsszvDhv5c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOsszvDhv5c)
[spoiler]Yes we can[/spoiler]
Nice! Setting a new world record, not once but TWICE, and doing it in less than 3 days (I'm guessing that bit) is impressive. But they drove the whole way on the wrong side of the road! :P :sign-yeah-right: :sign-go-team: :sign-lol:
Cars run more economically on the left hand side, it has to do with the orbit of the moon. :scratch-head:
I've been able to learn quite a bit about the lithium batteries used and I've started looking at the electric motors, DC, AC, the different windings.
I should think one type of motor would have characteristics that would make it the best choice. I'd say the DC motor is probably the simplest and therefore used and possibly I'm making a big thing of nothing.
It would be nice if one of the manufactures would offer a video and say this is an electric car and this is what it is all about, here are some of the problems faced and this is some of the decisions we have made.
Carl2
Quote from: Carl2 on April 24, 2016, 12:12:14 PM
It would be nice if one of the manufactures would offer a video and say this is an electric car and this is what it is all about, here are some of the problems faced and this is some of the decisions we have made.
Carl2
That's what I thought when I started this thread, indeed that's what this thread is about, lets get to the pros and cons and debunk the outdated opinions that many people still have.
At least that is my hope :)
There is another electric car that seems quite popular over here "Kia Soul EV".
Fancy a test drive ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWIprifxLck (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QWIprifxLck)
Now let's have a little look at the VW E Golf
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfsV32F48No (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sfsV32F48No)
I was unable to get info on the golf without filling in forms. I did run across an insurance premium doubling on an electric car.
" However, when our insurance recently came up for renewal the premium almost doubled from around £300 to more than £600. When asked why, the broker said many insurers won't insure electric vehicles because they are an "unknown quantity".
There is also this which I heard before
"Some electric car buyers lease their batteries, and if you have it might already be covered by the lease firm, so you may be covering it twice."
So is the insurance company also covering your batteries?
I found a site that will give a price, 21,4955 After $7,500 Federal Tax Credit. Range 83 miles, 3 driving modes, 3 braking modes, 115 hp elec motor, charges on 240 V. Here is the site, I'd say Volkswagen make a good car.
http://www.vw.com/models/e-golf/ (http://www.vw.com/models/e-golf/)
Carl2
You make a valid point Carl2, insurance on electric cars does tend to be higher, I did a bit of research on it and believe it's to cover the cost of the batteries should they get damaged in an accident.
There are now insurance companies that specialise in EV's, I'm not going to link direct to any but a quick google should find them.
Moving to an electric car could mean shopping around for the best insurance quote.
Here is a bit of info that might help:
https://www.zap-map.com/electric-vehicles/electric-vehicle-insurance/ (https://www.zap-map.com/electric-vehicles/electric-vehicle-insurance/)
In my reading I did see something about body work for an electric car would cost more, After looking at the Golf and the vid it would seem they are just putting the body on a different frame so I'm a bit unsure.
It will probably take the Insurance companies 5 to 10 years to get enough info on electric vehicles to get an accurate rate for these cars.
There is something appealing about the simplicity of the under the hood, the motor with all the seals, alternator, water pump, radiators are gone. I wonder what they do with power assist brakes and steering and air conditioning.
Carl2
Quote from: Carl2 on April 27, 2016, 12:36:16 PM
There is something appealing about the simplicity of the under the hood, the motor with all the seals, alternator, water pump, radiators are gone.
Yes agreed, less things to go wrong, appeals to me too.
Quote from: Carl2 on April 27, 2016, 12:36:16 PM
I wonder what they do with power assist brakes and steering and air conditioning.
The air conditioning seems to be done with the cars environmental control, it's one area that they are still perfecting, making it more efficient to extend the cars range. They have spoken quite a lot about it in the previous videos in this thread.
Power assist brakes and steering, yes I was wondering the same thing, how exactly is it done on electric cars :scratch-head:
I can at least provide something useful with regard to the braking system, in that with most EV/hybrid vehicles there is what's called "regenerative braking", which uses the drive motor as a generator to return some of the kinetic energy of the vehicle to the battery as electrical energy. This process generates a "load" in the motor/generator, adding a considerable amount of rolling resistance, helping the vehicle to slow down.
There may also be pump-driven assist units for both the braking and steering systems, just like petrol powered vehicles, though they likely use electric motors to drive said pumps (whether hydraulic for power steering, or vacuum for braking systems {though there are likely more efficient options than using vacuum pumps for power brakes}). I've not looked under the hood of an EV yet (though I've done so with hybrids of a couple of different brands), so I don't quite know with any degree of certainty what tech is utilized.
I think we have all become used to the power brake and steering assist and it is something that we expect. The Golf did show that it had 3 choices for the amount of braking which is nice, one of the vids mentioned the car will coast along which is about what my car does.
I do know that placing a direct short across the motor terminals will provide max braking, if the motor terminals are connected to the battery it will provide a moderate braking and if left open the motor just coasts along.
Air conditioning is another matter, my latest air conditioner for the home has so many modes, bells and whistles as they say but it will not
just act as a fan and bring in cooler outside air into the warmer house, I think there is a small 2 cubic inch opening that can open to bring in fresh air. I hope they do a better job with the Elec car and they do have semiconductor material that will move heat from one surface to another using electricity.
Carl2
To me this is coming down to having the right infrastructure in place, by that I mean Rapid Charging Stations and generating enough electricity in the grid to charge all these cars.
I think its a challenge but one that can be met over time.
This is what's going on in Canada right now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RspsOH31Io (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4RspsOH31Io)
It seems like we have 5 EV charging stations in Worcester and it looks like more will be built. The charge rate isn't mentioned. Lowes is selling car chargers for EV for about 550 and that is for a 30 A charge. If I was interested I'd still wait a few years, since I'm not interested I'll see how long my car lasts, it could last longer than me ho ho.
Carl2
Here in Carson City, there are only 3 charging stations, all of which are free, but each have their own sets of restrictions. One is at a GM dealer, and only owners of GM EVs (a Chevy Volt, for example) can use the station (only 1 outlet) unless specifically cleared by the dealership's general manager, and even then only during normal business hours. The second is at the Nevada Public Utilities Commission, and it's also restricted to use during normal business hours. It also requires a special RFID tag to use (though I understand that this is actually normal at most charging stations). the third one is at the local power company. It also requires the same RFID tag, but is open 24/7. However, the power company gives priority to EVs in it's fleet, so may not be available when you need it.
That's actually 3 more stations than I had guessed were here in town. Nearby Reno has dozens of them scattered around town, most of which are free, though some are metered by charge time. I didn't take note of the actual usage cost, though. Just not that interested.
I hear that a new battery factory is being constructed in Sparks Nevada for the new Tesla Model 3.
Go Go USA you can do this :thumbsup:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoZXJ0lhy_w (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CoZXJ0lhy_w)
Yup! I've applied for a position in IT for the new factory, but haven't heard back, so I'm assuming that they're not interested. Oh well. That new plant is less than 50 miles from me, BTW.
I thought it had to be quite close to you Dave.
If you do hear back from them and get your foot in the door remember poor old Data, see if you can spin me a bargain :D
Would be happy with the little Roadster :P
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/22/Tesla_Roadster_Japanese_display.jpg)
I like the roadster myself. 50 miles each way sounds like a lot of driving, it would be nice if they'd give you an e car to drive back and forth. Seems it would add an extra 2 hours to your day.
Carl2
lol it would be fun to get use of a company vehicle, if said vehicle was even a Tesla Model 3. I think that if I were in that position, I'd take (read: MAKE) the extra time to travel to work "the long way". I'm sure that the new Tesla factory will have a number of EV charging stations in their parking lots.
I like that the entire plant will be (exclusively?) solar powered (though I'm also quite certain that there will be a "fail-over" grid connection in place for emergencies). If/when I ever win the lottery, I think my next car will possibly be an EV (probably a Citroen Survolt (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citro%C3%ABn_Survolt), though - Sexy, stupid-fast car) :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I2b9JhsuVE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I2b9JhsuVE)
Great an elec muscle car, maybe they will find some improvements that can be made to the standard car. It's interesting the whole plant is solar, I hope we are not replacing trees with solar panels.
Carl2
The acreage where the plant is going is all sagebrush and cheat grass (a non-native, invasive species), so there's no problem with replacing trees, and from the looks of the proposed structure, the solar panels will just be on the roof, so no "wasted space" like we have with our local National Guard post (over 5 acres of panels covering otherwise empty land).
As for the Survolt, I own 2 racing games that feature that vehicle, and while it's not the same as driving the real thing, it's a still a fun car to drive.
With all the techy advances it seems we are moving forward at a nice pace, SSD's, led lighting, solar panels and the small elec cars and track is replaced with a computer game. I forgot the e cigs which I should try soon. I hope you get the job there and get to drive one of there cars.
Carl2
Sadly, after many weeks with no contact, I'm pretty sure that they aren't interested. {sigh!} Oh well.
I posted some info on the e cars manufactured by Chevy and Ford yesterday, not seeing it today so I may not have pressed enter. My over all feeling is because of the limited range of the battery cars the hybrid may be a better way to go. Ford seems to have a larger number of models for their e cars, again just elec and hybrid models. Ford uses a 325 hp gas engine for their generator, it has a 6 speed auto transmission and uses an ac electric motor. There is a large list of options for all the models. I was unable to find any e cars made by Chrysler.
Quote from: Carl2 on May 16, 2016, 11:57:09 AM
I posted some info on the e cars manufactured by Chevy and Ford yesterday, not seeing it today so I may not have pressed enter.
Probably wasn't you Carl2, the site has been experiencing some problems but things are looking better now, it might even be fixed :fingers-crossed:
My biggest concern with hybrids is how complicated they are, two engines means twice as much to go wrong. That is one reason why I like the idea of all electric cars, relatively simple in design.
I'm bothered by the mileage for the plain battery powered car, I believe it's the Chevy spark that only accepts a 30 amp charge from both the 120 v and 240 volt. The real answer is to get better mileage from the batteries or to be able to charge at a faster rate which we know can be done.
Its much nicer when we can pick up the phone and say I'll be there in 15 min which makes the hybrid seem much nicer. We accept the fact that we have a computer controlling the cars engine which I feel is pretty complex but it is finally trouble free and does a great job.
Carl2
I'm kind of with Carl here, I'm afraid. You folks don't have to deal with vehicle range all that much, really, given that your country is only 85% as large as my state. (:P) And Nevada doesn't even crack the top 5 largest states in the US. In fact, over 20% of our states have more acreage on an individual basis than does the UK (provided we don't count your territories and provinces, that is. - yes, your country is tiny. :P) If we count only England, 62% of our states (31 in total) out rank you in size... Each.
{ok, I've stopped being an jerk and an ass}
that said, however, I have a couple of ideas that could extend the range of most EVs, and it's in 3 parts:
1.) cover all upwardly facing surfaces on the vehicle with flexible amorphous solar cells that connect to a charger, to help keep the battery going (I know, won't work at night, or in parking structures, or on really cloudy days).
2.) Attach a trailer that contains an "extension battery" that can either be used as a portable charging station, or as a direct connection to the battery, to extend the vehicle's range.
3.) cover said battery trailer with even more solar cells.
Ok, sure, these ideas will make the EV less sexy in appearance, but It's more important to "get there" than it is to look good when you die in the Mojave because your EV couldn't get across it in a single charge.
Quote from: DaveMorton on May 17, 2016, 15:21:31 PM
I'm kind of with Carl here, I'm afraid. You folks don't have to deal with vehicle range all that much, really, given that your country is only 85% as large as my state. (:P) And Nevada doesn't even crack the top 5 largest states in the US. In fact, over 20% of our states have more acreage on an individual basis than does the UK (provided we don't count your territories and provinces, that is. - yes, your country is tiny. :P) If we count only England, 62% of our states (31 in total) out rank you in size... Each.
{ok, I've stopped being an jerk and an ass}
that said, however, I have a couple of ideas that could extend the range of most EVs, and it's in 3 parts:
1.) cover all upwardly facing surfaces on the vehicle with flexible amorphous solar cells that connect to a charger, to help keep the battery going (I know, won't work at night, or in parking structures, or on really cloudy days).
2.) Attach a trailer that contains an "extension battery" that can either be used as a portable charging station, or as a direct connection to the battery, to extend the vehicle's range.
3.) cover said battery trailer with even more solar cells.
Ok, sure, these ideas will make the EV less sexy in appearance, but It's more important to "get there" than it is to look good when you die in the Mojave because your EV couldn't get across it in a single charge.
Thanks for the geography lesson there Dave ;D :P
Some neat ideas too :)
I can't see solar cells really doing much to extend the range of an EV, ok it's a case of "every little helps" I admit but the power needed for the motor is far > than solar cells can trickle out.
How many miles do you chaps do anyway, on average ? if there is such a thing.
I do about 2000 miles a year, so that's roughly 20 charges for me.
I average around 25 miles per day on school days, and around 15 on the rest, so ~125 per week. Multiply that by 52 weeks in a year, and it's roughly 6500 miles. but that's not adding in things like trips to northern California to visit friends, or the occasional doctor visits. Each trip to NorCal is roughly 600 miles (I try to do 2 per year, when possible), and the doc is just short of 80 miles, round trip, so all told, probably 9 - 10k miles per year. The average for Americans is 13k per year, so I'm a bit below average.
Really not sure now a days, I used to be at my cousins house every day but since he's passed away the car can sit in the driveway for 3 or 4 days during the week. In my younger days there might be things like drive to the Boston airport, meet someone here or there, I just took a trip to Charlton to pick up the lawnmower about 40 mi each way so I'd be a little uneasy about that. The Chevy Spark is not for me where the hybrid would do the trick.
I began thinking about the AC motor used in the cars, I first thought of 120 V but on thinking about this the motor could be wound for any voltage. Actually there is a lot I or we still do not know about.
Carl2
So that must be what they call range anxiety then. probably not as bad over here with less distance to travel and chargers within range.
I'm interested in the Nissan Leaf and found this video of a chap dismantling the Motor Unit from a Leaf that was written-off in an accident.
It's quite interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GG3QRPGlPc (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GG3QRPGlPc)
I like the inductor bodge. :D
That vid just gave me the idea of building an electric go cart out of a broken EV. Hmmm... :scratch-head:
If that was done at a dealers shop it would probably cost a few thousand.
Carl2
It's a hydrogen car but not as we know it. Interesting new look at the automobile as we move forward into the 21st century.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utmkddBFUg0 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utmkddBFUg0)
Nice to see someone is working with the hydrogen cell that looked promising. 11 HP sounds good, must have gone through a lot of calculations to get that number. Capacitors used to store energy rather than charging and discharging batteries is another good idea.
I'd rather see a more standard body type and I'm not sure about there business plans since you never own the car, sounds good but how many people would go for that.
Carl2
Here's something that I found immensely interesting:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa9WuW643XE (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oa9WuW643XE)
My man crush for Elon Musk continues to grow.
Between Tesla and SpaceX he is a great man.
Very good find Dave, I just looked at the tesla motor website which naturally makes there car look great. The price for a 2015 Tesla Model S Sedan is 97,000 from another site. At that price not much sense in saying more.
Carl2
I thought the whole point of the Tesla 3 was to be affordable. They're not in production yet but they're supposed to be about US$30k
The 97,000 was for a 2015 possibly only a few built, maybe it's in full production now that should pull the price down. The specs from the Tesla are pretty impressive for an e car. Around 3 for 0 to 60, the horse power of a good size gas engine, 4 wheel drive, good range for an electric. The Tesla site did not give the price for any of the 2016 models
Carl2
It's not a car but it is electric and I think I would like one :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLzUOfnaiKM (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLzUOfnaiKM)
I noticed he said he's using lead acid batteries because of cost and reliability, I'm a little surprised the lithium aren't up there in reliability.
Not a bad machine.
Carl2
Did anyone see the last Top Gear ? they had the Tesla Model X on there.
This is the best video I can find of it.
Basically it beat a petrol heads super charged Dodge Charger Hellcat in a drag race.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F67ZsIN7dDU
I got pulled over to you tube where they had a few vids on the Tesla, nothing great, basic road trip. Good vid on the Austin Martian Vulcon, V12. can't be legally driven anywhere.
Carl2
Tesla Autopilot Crash. Off topic but related.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vGYSE4fVhQ
Statically 1 crash in 200 million kilometers seems pretty impressive to me. The technology is good but yeah, always room for improvement.
I can see a time in the future where all drivers over a certain age (maybe 70 year old or something like that) Will be forced to use autopilot.
Bah Humbug
Carl2
Nissan BladeGlider anyone ?
It's a concept-car that has turned into reality, we should see it transporting VIPs at the Olympics.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLlbGSOogUQ
Makes me think of all the cars of the future I've seen in the past that never happened. As I drive and see all the big heavy cars with just a driver I keep thinking of a one or two passenger that could do the same job. Maybe it's a matter of the driver feeling safer with a large car.
Carl2
If everyone drove a small car it would be ok. But in a crash involving 1 large and 1 small car, the small car will come off worse.
Lets all drive large cars...
Just because something is small doesn't mean it isn't strong. Now with modern materials and production techniques they might actually become the safer option.
A large heavy car is going to have to disperse more kinetic energy on impact, that could well make things worse.
Anyway it doesn't matter how tough the car is, in a crash the people inside will only be able to take so much g-force before damage is done to the internal organs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mnI-LiKCtuE
Lack of crumple zones and a steel frame. Wouldn't want to crash in a Smart car at 50+ MPH.
I wouldn't want to crash in any car at 50+ MPH, if I can help it.
Some more developments in battery technology are coming from Tesla
QuoteTesla's CEO Elon Musk said Tuesday (Aug. 23) that an expanded 100-kilowatt-hour battery pack can propel Tesla's cars to 60 miles per hour in just 2.5 seconds.
Full Story (http://qz.com/764723/tesla-has-maxed-out-what-its-current-batteries-can-do/)
lol my new scooter can't get from 0 to even 40 without a following hurricane force wind and a steep downhill section of road. 0 to 30 is more along the line of 2.3 minutes, under normal/flat conditions. :P
lol Dave :LOL:
I found this video packed with information, if anyone is interested.
Also see if you can spot the early P1 :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gRS7PK6TP0
Porsche and McLaren certainly had different visions of the future with regard to their P1 cars. :D
Great vid. I watched through the whole thing (for once), and found it interesting. Thanks, Data! :thumbsup:
Interesting, lots of detail and a bit long. I did come across this
https://www.eliomotors.com/hybrid-cars-elio-to-launch-by-mid-2016-with-41000-reservations-and-counting/?utm_campaign=elio-launch&utm_medium=contentsyn&utm_source=outbrain&utm_content=antitesladesktop&utm_source=Outbrain&utm_medium=Desktop%2520Traffic&utm_campaign=Desktop%2520Traffic&sctp=contxt&scvn=outbrain&scsrc=na&sckw=na&sccm=na&sccrtv=na
The Elio which is a 3 wheel vehicle that is made to be more affordable. Since it is a 3 wheel vehicle it falls into the motor cycle category which will lower the insurance costs, nice to see a loop hole that will help the everyday person. " 49 mpg city, 84 mpg highway for $6,800 "
Carl2
Not been much posting in here recently but it is still one of my favorite topics and I'm convinced that electric is the future.
I've also done my bit this year with replacing every lightbulb in my house with LED and buying a more efficient fridge freezer. This should continue my trend of lowering the houses power consumption year on year.
Here is a video that goes over the developments of 2016 and looks forward to 2017.
Batteries and solar panels are getting better, cheaper and electric cars are going further on single charges. Lots more info in there too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qyQUO8Rj3Uo
Seems the only problem with electric cars is big oil companies tend to get them sent to the junk yard crusher.
Electric cars have been around about as long as gasoline cars. The first electric cars go back so far in time
that they looked similar to horseless carriages.
Found an interesting fact today.
Of all the emissions of an average vehicle, half are emitted in the manufacture of that vehicle.
HALF! wow.
The greenest thing you can do is use your current vehicle for a few more years.
Quote from: Snowcrash on January 07, 2017, 12:58:47 PM
Of all the emissions of an average vehicle, half are emitted in the manufacture of that vehicle.
HALF! wow.
Interesting, so it makes the same amount of emissions to manufacture a petrol car as to drive it 100,000 miles ? and manufacture the petrol which also adds to global emissions.
Maybe I'm the only one that thinks that is unbelievable.
But lets say it's true, cutting emissions by 50% is a good thing isn't it ? :D
I would have an electric car yesterday if I could get my hands on £12.000 (I'm working on it) , that's about the price of a secondhand Nissan Leaf that has a good battery.
I've been following this chaps videos for a while now, he is an engineer, knows his stuff, he made some videos about hybrid F1 engines that got my attention. Anyway he explains in this video why you should Buy An Electric Car.
For me the main reason would be the cost savings which are large, being greener is a nice bonus to have though.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ysHpmrwsEsY
CO2 per mile for an electric car is about the same as a petrol/diesel car. It's just generated at the power station and no pollution in the city center.
Quote from: Snowcrash on January 08, 2017, 19:05:16 PM
CO2 per mile for an electric car is about the same as a petrol/diesel car. It's just generated at the power station and no pollution in the city center.
That depends on how the power is generated though, does that include all the windfarms going up all over the place and solar and dare I say it, nuclear ?
QuoteUsing coal powered electricity electric cars do nothing to cut emissions, using natural gas electricity they're like a top hybrid and using low carbon power they result in less than half the total emissions of the best combustion vehicle, manufacturing included.
Read more:
http://shrinkthatfootprint.com/electric-cars-green
All forms of energy generation methods have their risks and rewards, costs and benefits. Without getting into the whole "nuclear is evil" discussion, I'll just point out that there are many types of "nuclear" energy generation methods, some of which are more safely feasible than others. Solar only works well on sunny days, wind power poses serious risks to birds of various kinds, tidal generation has been shown to alter ecosystems (if you believe the hype, that is), and of course, coal is poisoning our atmosphere. Personally, I'd suggest going back to whale oil lamps, candles and horses, but whales are nearly extinct, even beeswax candles produce greenhouse gasses, and horses make methane. Let's face it, chaps, we're going to destroy the planet no matter WHAT we do. How about we all just give it all up and play videogames till the power runs out? :P :D
Quote from: DaveMorton on January 08, 2017, 20:24:10 PM
How about we all just give it all up and play videogames till the power runs out? :P :D
It's a good plan :D but I was enjoying debunking the myths, or at least trying to get to the facts.
Putting the green slant to one side for now, all the information I find about running an electric car points to lower running costs, giving me more cash to spend on them games and power hungry computers :thumbsup:
Play more, travel less. Sounds like an option to me.
The 50% thing I got from this video. Not sure of sources.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dvk2PQNcg8w
The guy is going on about facts, that has to be a good thing right ? we are on a quest for the truth about electric cars.
Quote"I was in Holland and I met this guy that told me that half of a cars emissions are from the manufacturing of the vehicle"
Ok some guy in Holland is going to convince me over the science and facts :scratch-head:
I've been hunting for the "half" figure on the web but can't find it.
It seems to me that he has fallen into his own trap of "post truth".
Did find this though published by the Union of Concerned Scientists (http://www.ucsusa.org/) which seems to disagree with his "half" statement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9m9WDxmSN8
OK, did seem a little high to me. I do like this guy's style but didn't look into it.
That vid was very interesting, it put an electric car 13% worse carbon footprint for manufacture but 50% better for the life of the vehicle. I'm sure the real world is more complicated but very interesting figures.
Now to crack the battery manufacture scaling problem (https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/gigafactory). Come on Elon Musk.
The more I look into electric cars the more I realise the fake news that gets spouted by people on both sides of the argument. As normal the truth is probably in the middle.
Yes modern solar powered battery factories are the future and it's beginning :)
I'm not really seeing the problem with battery supplies, I can go and buy an electric car either new or secondhand today if I had the cash. It's supply and demand and at the moment the demand isn't big enough to cause problems. Given time as people wake up to the benefits of EV's battery production will increase, it has to because it makes sense.
EV's are greener, all the evidence points to it.
EV's are cheaper to run, again, all evidence points to it.
Batteries can and will be improved over time, that's just progress and science.
It's fair to be sceptical but when one looks at the evidence ...
No, I agree with you, Data, and if I were to come into a large sum of cash I'd probably go out and buy one, though probably not a Tesla (I'd just get into trouble, there). At some point in the near future I'm going to see about contacting Tesla to see if I can get a tour of the battery plant in Sparks (and see if I can bring my vid camera along, while I'm at it). I first have to get a vehicle that can make the trip, and that may be a while. :-\
I do believe Tesla (Elon Musk) is classed as a joke in some respects due to not making any profit for electric cars. With all the money invested in infrastructure the opposite is probably true. But he can afford it and will most likely win out in the end.
The scaling problem is down to being able to manufacture enough batteries to supply current demand. Mr Musk gave up with China and is still building the Giga Factory so he can supply himself as it were. And current tech of batteries has to change due to not enough raw materiel on the planet to make all cars electric. Ok, demand isn't that high yet and tech will change and the oil industry is still making a huge profit and... where's my crystal ball. ;D
I really don't see much advertising for the electric cars, some on the internet but there is constant advertising for the gas power cars here in the states at least. As far as owning one it seems a bad sign when the insurance co feels it is safer to rob you because they are dealing with an unknown. I don't think there are many people trained to repair the cars if there is a problem. My thoughts
Carl2
It's difficult to see the scaling problem this early on, but looking at the annual percentage of increase in production just over the past 5 years, and applying even a simple geometric progression (as opposed to a reverse logarithmic progression, which I'm confident will be closer to reality) over the next 5 years will probably see that gigafactory at or near capacity, and beginning to struggle to keep abreast of demand for just Teslas. And while it's by no means rare, (Lithium (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium) isn't exactly the easiest metal to extract from the Earth. That said, however, one of the extraction methods (brine extraction (https://cleantechnica.com/2016/04/19/new-method-extracting-lithium-natural-brine-yields-99-9-purity/)) is pretty cool (if you like the sciencey stuff).
Some nice info there Dave thanks :)
The brine extraction method looks interesting, more efficiently Lithium production, has to be a good thing.
Talking of battery technology, Samsung have just revealed something pretty neat.
Samsung shows off electric car battery that gives a 310 mile range on a 20 minute charge (http://www.cnbc.com/2017/01/10/samsung-electric-car-battery-gives-a-310-mile-range-on-a-20-minute-charge.html)
I just came across an ad for the Dodge muscle car 700 hp, they are also mentioning the Camero and the Vett with big engines. I like the electric cars but it seems squeezing more HP out of the big engines is what gets attention.
Carl2
@Data: Let's just hope they have better luck with their EV batteries than they did with the S7. :o
@Carl: That they do, right up until the time that someone comes out with a 400HP EV muscle car that leaves those monsters in the dust. :D :P
Quote from: DaveMorton on January 12, 2017, 20:07:15 PM
@Data: Let's just hope they have better luck with their EV batteries than they did with the S7. :o
I admit, the thought had crossed my mind too :-\
Quote from: DaveMorton on January 11, 2017, 21:24:11 PM
And while it's by no means rare, (Lithium (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium) isn't exactly the easiest metal to extract from the Earth. That said, however, one of the extraction methods (brine extraction (https://cleantechnica.com/2016/04/19/new-method-extracting-lithium-natural-brine-yields-99-9-purity/)) is pretty cool (if you like the sciencey stuff).
From previous reading and posts, I thought the limiting factor was cobalt. Most lithium ion batteries use lithium cobalt oxide but other types are available. Just checked world production for both and came up with these figures for lithium (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=world+production+of+lithium&gws_rd=cr&ei=BRJ5WOGrKpv1gAbHsKa4CQ) and cobalt (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=world+production+of+cobolt&gws_rd=cr&ei=1BF5WJOKIuXBgAaJlpOYAg#q=world+production+of+cobalt).
Judging by these figures, maybe I was wrong.
Chilie has some of the best reserves so will probably do well in the coming years.
Of course we love the sciencey stuff. :P
We also have sources for Lithium here in Nevada, and one of the largest mines has entered into a vendor agreement with Tesla to supply the gigafactory. I don't think it could handle all of tesla's needs for the metal, but I would imagine it's a significant amount. :)
Things are moving on with battery technology I see.
Renault have as near as dam it doubled the battery capacity of their new Zoe model. The battery is the same size and shape as the original so it can be fitted in the older Zoe model.
Well I think it's impressive :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEIzORzvbdQ
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/news/cornish-firm-unveils-plans-for-uks-only-lithium-mining-operation/ar-AAm13wJ?li=AA54rU&ocid=spartandhp
Potentially Europe's only source of Lithium.......
Quote from: DD1975 on January 19, 2017, 18:08:53 PM
http://www.msn.com/en-gb/money/news/cornish-firm-unveils-plans-for-uks-only-lithium-mining-operation/ar-AAm13wJ?li=AA54rU&ocid=spartandhp
Potentially Europe's only source of Lithium.......
Now that sounds like a rather timely announcement to me :)
Excellent news 8) :fingers-crossed:
2 very interesting articles. A doubling of power density is very impressive. And UK industry can get on the lithium bandwagon.
I can't find the actual batteries they use but LG Chem seems to be using lithium ion manganese oxide (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_ion_manganese_oxide_battery) (or lithium-manganese spinel). Manganese world production. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_manganese_production)
Been thinking about some other (minor) down sides to all electric. Your range will decrease if dark or cold due to lights and heaters. The up side is you are only producing the heat you need rather than using the 'waste' product of an internal combustion engine.
Regarding the lights and heaters, they are not powered by the main battery but are powered buy the secondary lead acid battery.
QuoteThe 12-volt battery stores the power for the 12-volt system that runs components like the lights, entertainment system and the heating/cooling system.
more info (http://www.plugincars.com/why-do-electric-cars-have-lead-acid-12-volt-batteries-when-lithium-lighter-129118.html)
The lights are also LED and very efficient also the heaters are being made more efficient year on year. I agree it's a minor problem but they seem to have found a way round it and are still working on improvements.
I wonder if they could put the heaters next to the motors, I wonder if there are cooling fans next to the motors, vent the fan air into the heaters.
On snow blowers the put the carb in a box close the exhaust. At 10 to 20
F I always have to take out the spark plug, squirt starting fluid into the chamber to get it running.
Carl2
Slightly off topic but interesting. Feel free to move to another thread, Data.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBjY3QGNdAw
Quote from: Snowcrash on January 23, 2017, 20:52:36 PM
Slightly off topic but interesting. Feel free to move to another thread, Data.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WBjY3QGNdAw
Yup interesting video Snowy
I'm still to be convinced about Self-Driving Cars, closer to believing in them than ever before but ...
If nothing else I enjoy driving (most of the time), its about the only time I can really be in control of my life :D
I can see this technology being used in cars more for the disabled and the older generation. The latter couldn't come quick enough :P
Over here in the US the state has issued a permit to a self driving car for them to have a testing ground. I think also a lot of large companies moving goods around the country are interested in the self driving vehicles to replace drivers. There is a long way to go but it has to start somewhere.
Carl2
Going to bring this back on topic with some figures that seem to speak for themselves.
This chap has had a Nissan Leaf for 5 years now and has worked out the fuel cost savings and they are huge.
In 5 years he has done 51000 miles in the Leaf and it cost him $870 in electricity.
The same mileage in a petrol vehicle would have cost around $11600
Now give or take for electricity and fuel cost variation from country to country, and engine size, whichever way you look at this the money savings do speak for themselves.
I will gladly listen to anyone who can poo poo this with fact, but please don't poo poo it with poo poo. ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZdsIqPX6LH4
Pretty good numbers. Worse case and you need to replace battery (http://www.autoexpress.co.uk/nissan/89694/nissan-leaf-battery-replacement-to-cost-4920), add £5,000. Not sure about exchange rates but assuming you lose half of savings it's not too bad.
Only other downside would be initial cost. Typical seems about £20,000 but from £16,680. Approx. £8,000 more than a petrol equivalent. Nissan site. (https://www.nissan.co.uk/vehicles/new-vehicles/leaf.html?&cid=psmm8tUUYSS_dc%7CU)
Good points Snowy and don't forget you save money on paying no road tax (in the UK), also save on servicing, it's mainly tyres and brakes but even the brakes last longer due to regenerative braking. So if you had to replace the battery you would still be quids in.
I don't know if you watched the whole video but he shows that after 51000 miles the battery had lost 1 bar. I don't know if that is typical of the battery life but ...
Don't think I would buy a new Leaf, depreciation on new cars being as it is but a 2 or maybe 3 year old Leaf with a good battery ( one that still shows all bars when fully charged ) might be the way to go.
Most EV's here are comparable to mid-size cars, price-wise, but the majority of Americans are still foolishly in love with their SUVs and luxury models, so until there's a larger price incentive, or they start making something that can travel for more than 150 miles the people here will probably not be interested, quite yet. But give us time. We Yanks are often slow at the start, but once we latch onto an idea, we don't let go. :)
Very nice video he put out and he certainly made it sound good, I wish he mentioned how well they handle in the snow. They latest thing I had read about the electric cars were how fast they were from 0 to 60, 2.5 seconds.
Carl2
Interesting vid. Nissan only offer the low capacity battery as a replacement, 24kWh not 30kWh.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKIaFUO8HPo
And from the electric aircraft (http://www.datahopa.co.uk/forum/aviation/electric-aircraft/msg32932/#msg32932) thread with some additions.
Found some actual 2016 figures.
USA 17,539k cars sold, 80k EV, 64K PHEV sold with 570k EV + PHEV registered.
UK 2,690k cars sold, 10k EV, 26k PHEV sold with 91k EV + PHEV registered.
PHEV = plug-in hybrid electric vehicle
Looks like USA is embracing the EV better than the UK but we're better on hybrids and overall. 0.46% to 0.37% new EV sales and 0.36% to 0.96% new PHEV sales. 0.82% to 1.3% overall.
I think UK targets are 20% EV + PHEV by 2020 but they're looking ambitious.
Quote from: Snowcrash on March 25, 2017, 13:34:39 PM
Interesting vid. Nissan only offer the low capacity battery as a replacement, 24kWh not 30kWh.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aKIaFUO8HPo
I watched that a while back, the new 24kw battery is better than the 7 year old version, good to see they have improved already, this only applies to the 24kw Leaf too, doesn't effect the 30kw model which already has the newer battery as well.
Being someone that does a small amount of miles and looking through the secondhand Leafs I see for sale, the sweet spot for me is something like a 2014 / 15 model with about 10 to 15 thousand miles on the clock. That will have the newer 24kw battery and should be good for another 40,000 miles or so.
I'm still thinking about getting a Leaf, all this info is good to know.
Hopefully this kind of thing will not happen again.
https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/mar/10/volkswagen-vw-pleads-guilty-criminal-charges-emissions-cheating
At least Volkswagen have admitted their mistakes, what they did by "covering up" was wrong but I do give them a little credit for their turn around. Ok they had to because they were found out but ..
However some news I've seen recently is worrying and saddens me. Not going to make this political but .. with all the very hard work we have been doing with sola and wind power, we were actually getting there and making a greener environment, things were looking good for the future, then along came a chap that thinks coal is clean and environmentally friendly.
It's true, you couldn't make this up. even though I find it almost impossible to believe.
A sad day for the planet I think. :( :sign-sad: :(
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PdebC6IEAKo
Being an American and watching vids of people in certain parts of America saying they have been unemployed for 10 to 20 years. I've also seen vids of repossessed houses which has happened in my own neighborhoods. We have empty stores and so many stores closing or cutting back on the number of stores. Meanwhile the Government says the economy is doing good. The way our system works is if you lose a job you can collect unemployment for a limited time and you are listed as unemployed after the time limit you are not listed as unemployed, you kind of disappear and are no longer a problem.
It is kind of like the chemistry sets that can no longer be sold because of liability, doctors that get sued and the largest bill they have is their insurance. Let the government cut back on all the protection they offer us and see how it works for a while. Damn we are even told how to think, remember you can't say that.
Just another point of view.
Carl2
I can't disagree with anything you said there Carl, people need jobs.
It would be nice if more politicians would start to embrace new green technologies and actually believe in them, give them a chance. I mean there must be jobs to be had in the production of sola panels, windmills, batteries.
Sure it's going to take some government investment but that's a small price to pay, well I think it is.
Two things, Data:
1.)
Quote from: Data on March 30, 2017, 13:44:21 PMSure it's going to take some government investment but that's a small price to pay, well I think it is.
That would be all well and good if our government knew how to spend money without
overspending it. :P
2.)
Quote from: Data on March 30, 2017, 13:44:21 PMIt would be nice if more politicians would start to embrace new green technologies and actually believe in them, give them a chance.
I'm sure that what most politicians are worried about is that by investing in these green technologies, our dependence on fossil fuels (and the companies that provide them) will drop off (which is a
GOOD thing, IMHO), causing big oil to lose profits, which means fewer lobbying dollars, which means less money for the politicians. Everyone in Washington has their heads up
someone's arse, and that's
NOT a good thing!
Quote from: DaveMorton on March 30, 2017, 23:44:50 PM
Two things, Data:
1.) Quote from: Data on March 30, 2017, 13:44:21 PMSure it's going to take some government investment but that's a small price to pay, well I think it is.
That would be all well and good if our government knew how to spend money without overspending it. :P
2.) Quote from: Data on March 30, 2017, 13:44:21 PMIt would be nice if more politicians would start to embrace new green technologies and actually believe in them, give them a chance.
I'm sure that what most politicians are worried about is that by investing in these green technologies, our dependence on fossil fuels (and the companies that provide them) will drop off (which is a GOOD thing, IMHO), causing big oil to lose profits, which means fewer lobbying dollars, which means less money for the politicians. Everyone in Washington has their heads up someone's arse, and that's NOT a good thing!
I hear you Dave and thanks for the reply.
There isn't much to say to that really, the whole system is messed up, at least that's how it appears.
Oh ! wouldn't it be nice to live in a perfect world.
These days, I think that the US government poses more of a threat to our public safety than does climate change, or possibly even terrorism. This is because our policies have over the years lead to increases in both, and the politicians are too greedy and power hungry to want to change, and the people who put them in office are too stupid to see that these politicians are a huge part of the problem. I still have hope that our choice for a non-politician in Trump will affect some real, positive change, but that hope is slowly fading as more and more stupidity (from both sides) creeps into the equation.
But this is supposed to be about electric vehicles, not politics, so in an effort to bring the discussion back on topic:
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/OhDPybl8Kwg/maxresdefault.jpg
One of the things I like about the English government is I feel the Queen probably has more of a connection with the English people than the American officials do with the American people. That many people loosing that many jobs In a particular area shouldn't happen, I guess no one thinks they have done a lot to clean up the emissions of cars what can they do with burning coal, of course people buying cars pay for the research and parts needed with cars. I don't think people burning coal in a factory will pay for these expenses.
Just talk, we are just people doing the best we can
Carl2
You could be right Carl, the Queen might have more of a connection with the people then other countries heads of state. I should point out that she isn't part of the government and remains neutral in politics, she has the power to allow a government to form after a general election and to dissolve the government when needed but she has no official say on government policy.
Talking about the Queen - among the list of vehicles she owns is a customised Hybrid Range Rover, not full-on electric just yet.
Hybrid Range Rover (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3552210/The-Queen-s-mean-clean-walkabout-machine-Customised-hybrid-Range-Rover-lets-monarch-close-people-without-choking-them.html)
Well that sounds like a low stress job. Over here we have Trump finding that he can't do this and that and no one likes him
Carl2
Ok, I tried to bring the discussion back on topic. :sign-sad: If I had the time to do so, I'd replace Freddy's baby polar bear with a Nissan Leaf, but I don't. Who wouldn't want to see someone tickling an EV? :P
Dave I hear you but isn't how the electricity is generated for the electric cars also part of the topic ?
What I mean is it's our leaders that make the big important decisions that effect us all.
Anyway, moving on, I think the USA and UK are both doing their bits, we do still burn coal here in the UK but it's reducing at quite a good rate now, lets hope we can keep it that way.
Going to post this vid, it has some good news in there regarding the future of our energy needs and how we are doing now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nui7VAqvINY
He's a good speaker but covered to many things for me, it did make me think of my cousin that put in a coal burning stove in his basement to help heat the house, he just ended up removing it after quite a few years. Seems pretty old fashion but there were the days of burning wood in a fireplace to heat a house and for cooking. They still sell wood pellets for home heating now a days.
Carl2
@Data: Just a bit of tongue in cheek, no worries. :)
@Carl: When I was a child we lived in a house that was heated exclusively by a wood burning stove. In fact, when we first moved into the place there was also a wood burning stove for cooking that we used for a couple of years until Dad wired in an electric range. I always loved the smell of the wood stove, but hated chopping all the wood. We would consume about a cord of wood (a stack of wood 4 feet tall, 4 foot deep and 8 foot long) per winter just for heating, and being the oldest lad in the house, the majority of the task of chopping the wood fell to me. The work DID get a bit easier when my Dad finally picked up a wood splitter, which made the task a LOT easier. :)
This is promising, Tesla delivered more than 25,000 cars in the first quarter of this year.
Tesla's market value overtakes Ford (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-39485200)
I found a website that carries the Tesla, about 30 miles from where I live, Prices I noticed were 69,000 and 49,000 and the lower one was a used car a few years old. Well a real good snow blower costs what we used to pay for a good used car.
I have to admit though that the car I now have is easily the best car I've owned and required less servicing.
Yes there is no doubt that Tesla are an rich mans electric car, just goes to show how many well-off people there are around these days.
Us the peasants will need to look at other makes if we want a nice little EV.
I was just looking at the electric cars available, Tesla is at the higher end and there are a lot of cars that are more affordable. There is something about the thought of plugging in a car charger to the 240 volt electric outlet that I find very unappealing probably because I learned Electricity cost much more for heating a home than the gas for a Furnace and if everyone switches to electricity and the demand for electricity goes up the price of electricity increases.
Carl2
Carl, all the evidence that we have been viewing in this thread points to - electric cars being cheaper to run than petrol / diesel cars.
The evidence also points to renewable green electricity being cheaper to produce than the old ways of doing things. We need more wind and sola farms.
The way I see it is that people need educating about these things.
As we have pointed out before, the main disadvantage to EV's is their limited range and charging times.
If we just look at cost per mile then EV's win easily.
I think the main cost benefit is electricity carries 7% tax (possibly a bit more) and petrol/diesel is more like 80% tax.
That said, we have no control over the price and savings is savings.
Quote from: Carl2 on April 06, 2017, 13:17:03 PM
There is something about the thought of plugging in a car charger to the 240 volt electric outlet that I find very unappealing probably because I learned Electricity cost much more for heating a home than the gas for a Furnace and if everyone switches to electricity and the demand for electricity goes up the price of electricity increases.
While that is certainly true for heating your home, it's not the same as charging your car. And many (if not most) home charging stations for EV's have tech within them that tries to charge the car most efficiently, including saving the heaviest charging till off-peak hours, so that you save on your charging bill. Here are a couple of links that might help:
http://www.fleetcarma.com/electric-vehicle-charging-guide/ (scroll down to "What is Smart Charging?")
http://www.fleetcarma.com/what-is-smart-charging/ (a bit more info here)
Something else to consider is that many cities/towns/etc/ have vehicle charging stations in a number of places that are completely free to use. Granted, these won't help you charge your EV at home, but if there's one within walking distance of the places you go in town, it's worthwhile(?) to take advantage of a "free fillup", as it were. :)
I have to admit I never before thought about off peak hours. I guess what I'm thinking of is if all automotive needs in the future is switched to electric cars the oil industry is supplying a small fraction of what it is now. I guess it is something like the e cigs, although somewhat popular most people are smoking cigs and cigars. It'll be a long slow process before the majority of people smoke e cigs.
Carl2
I think you hit the nail on the head there Carl, "long slow process", with EV's it's going to have to be isn't it, so many cars on the road that will need to be scraped, at the same time as electricity generation will need to increase, hopefully renewable. Yes this isn't going to happen quick at all.
For some people there is an opportunity with EV's now, if they feel brave enough.
After driving a Leaf, one thing that hit me the most was that it's digital, it's smart, it's switched from old analog to the 21st century. Yes, like e-cigs :)
The car has been evolving since it was first invented, some of the largest improvements in engine performance were during prohibition since people illegally moving alcohol around wanted the fastest cars. Anyways my 2003 Chevy has a computer in it which is plugged into during State inspection. The computer has all the sensors connected to it, spark is initiated by the computer, fuel injection, the right amount to the right piston. It seems that now that we have a good handle on the gas engine it was all done for nothing.
I have not looked at the dashboard of an EV or even a newer vehicle.
Carl2
I've got to post this.
A self driving Leaf now, this is the working prototype but Nissan are saying that it could be available and on the road by 2020.
Not sure I would want one but ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cfRqNAhAe6c
Pretty interesting, it explains why there were so many things on the internet about computers being able to recognize pictures of different things. I've read there is a company that has a permission to test out this kind of car. Since I find it relaxing when another person drive and I can sit back and relax I think I'd like the idea, must be a period where you have to gain trust in the system.
Carl2
1.5kW, ouch. Bet than affects the range a bit.
It couldn't safely drive around a bus but safely stayed behind. I've always felt motorway driving is the best application of this tech but they're getting there for town as well. I think it'll be impossible to program for all eventualities but keep it safe and allow the driver to seamlessly intervene seems workable.
I drive through a lot of snow storms and keep wondering how the elec cars will do during the storms and on slippery snow covered roads.
Carl2
I don't think snow is really a problem for electric cars but the cold can temporarily reduce the mileage available from the battery.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2a7sbeQorWE&t=208s
I've learned it will cost about 5 to 6,000 to replace the leaf batteries, Nissan dealers sell the batteries to people that want to buy them.
Carl2
It's about the same price over here, 5000 for a new battery and they give you 1000 for your old one, so 4000 to replace the battery.
Since I had to pay 3,000 to repair my car after a hit and run a new battery system for a elec car seems like a reasonable thing to do if you really like the car.
Carl2
If anyone is interested in how the other half live then here is the Tesla Model X :drooling:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shqDCkiRehM
From the sound of it it has many good features but is to large since I have a mid size car. Like the Caddy maybe some of the features will trickle down to the lower priced cars. Over all it is nice to see someone has been able to do that with an elec car.
Carl2
We were talking about the UK's coal free day in another thread, here is a video about it. If anyone is interested.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rtuCBuxYZA&t=81s
Note for the Tesla X, typical woman driver, parked outside the school on the keep clear zig zag.
Nice car though, if you like Chelsea Tractors (SUVs).
I was doing some of my occasional wandering about YouTube, and I came across this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7m6ivDvWNI
I thought it was worth sharing. :)
Really enjoyed that Dave, thanks :thumbsup:
Dave,
Very good find Dave, I really enjoyed that.
Carl2
My man crush on Elon Musk continues. Good vid.
If I liked men in that way Mr Musk would tick a lot of boxes for me. :P
Rich? Check!
Nerd? Check!
Cool toys? Double Check!!
But I like girls, so no. :D
I see that the Nürburgring lap record has now been beaten by an EV ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y3ouduAUt7s
I watched the video and it seems they are fast charging the cars. The race part of the vid was good, sounds like gears spinning were there I think.
Carl2
Love the figures.
£1.4 million, 1342 hp or 1MW. Nio EP9
Data, that makes your 240kW = 322 hp. Seems a little high. Maybe I'm missing something.
Ahh, just did a wiki search. You're an 80 kW (110 hp) motor.
Interesting stuff. Amazing how quick they could charge that car. I stopped watching when they mentioned the Tesla though as I don't have that kind of money :LOL:
Hopefully in a few years I will be in a position to get one of these new beasts. For now if I want a car I think it would have to be an old banger :o :LOL:
Quote from: Snowcrash on June 03, 2017, 21:30:59 PM
Data, that makes your 240kW = 322 hp. Seems a little high. Maybe I'm missing something.
Snowy, I don't know where you got them figures from, wasn't me.
Yes the Leaf has an 80KW motor and can regen at 30KW, I think the regen figure could be one to keep an eye on too, in future EV's it's probably going to improve.
If Snowy's ratio is correct (and I must admit that I did not do the research here, so...), you're pushing just at 107 1/3HP, which does sound about right. But considering the weight of the Leaf, that's pretty respectable oomph for what you have. It may not win any drag races, but it's still rather zippy. :D
[edit]I've gone and done the research, and Snowy's conversion ratio is, indeed, correct.
Quote from: DaveMorton on June 04, 2017, 07:43:20 AM
Snowy's conversion ratio is, indeed, correct.
I'm sure it is, it's not like Snowy to get math wrong but where did he get the 240kW from ? I think he was confusing the battery capacity of 24KWH with 240kW, maybe.
The Leaf also has 206 ft-lbs of torque, that makes it very nippy off the mark and from my experience it easily eats the "average" internal combustion engine, instant torque from 0 MPH with an electric motor. 8)
I was working it out from the battery. Didn't notice I added a zero to the capacity though. Doh!
Most petrol engines are approx. the same for HP and torque. My Golf is 115 HP (84kW) and 115 ft-lb torque.
Your Leaf has almost twice the low end grunt. But I'd fly past at 70+ MPH. And can get to Devon, theoretically, with no stops (not with my bladder). Not a random destination or my max range, shall be driving there for a mates wedding in August.
Okay how would a motor cycle do against an elec car ?
Carl2
Quote from: Carl2 on June 04, 2017, 13:18:52 PM
Okay how would a motor cycle do against an elec car ?
Carl2
Carl, would that be an old internal combustion engine motorcycle or a new electric motorcycle, oh yes they make electric bikes now.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aV1V__JKM0w
I was thinking of a gas motorcycle vs the elec car, I guess about any motorcycle can beat a car off the line until the car starts going but it seems the elec car has more power available at start.
The elec motorcycle is interesting never thought about them, looks and sound nice but the price is unrealistic.
Carl2
A slight tangent but found this interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BvD_nNVW1g
I don't like to say "I told you so" but ... :P
EV is the future, it's here now and it is here to stay, with solar panels on your roof and a good home battery you can even run the things for free.
Good vid though Snowy :thumbsup:
My Leaf is charged up, going out for a nice smooth, quiet, cheap, green drive in the country.
This video is 3 years old already but still ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MC2bZAD38Z4
QuoteIn May 2017, the UK reached a significant milestone when the total number of plug-in vehicles registered since 2012 reached over 100,000. That's almost a 3000% increase over the last 4 years.
The popularity of electric vehicles is rising and it's rising fast. In 2016 there were two million electric cars registered globally, with China, the US and Europe accounting for 90% of EV sales.
Full Story (https://pod-point.com/electric-car-news/100-000-evs-on-the-uk-roads?utm_source=Mailchimp&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=June-Newsletter&utm_term=Master-List&utm_content=Challenger)
So it's going to become law that new electric cars will have to make the same sound as an ICE car to avoid hitting pedestrians, top tip, get an EV before the law comes in force and enjoy the silence while you can :thumbsup:
The stupid people that make these laws didn't realise that new EV's will be able to see/detect people and stop before hitting them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfDxGFsPKLI&t=64s
Quote...new EV's will be able to see/detect people and stop before hitting them.
That's very polite, I hope they ask before hitting them too :LOL: :P
So let me see if I understand here. Pedestrians aren't paying attention, and some small percentage of drivers of EV's are also guilty of the same thing, so let's make ALL EV just as noisy as ICE vehicles? SERIOUSLY? I'd loudly complain that this is lunacy, except I fear that some US politician will hear me and think "we need that law here!". :sign-sad:
It's too late Dave :( it will be law in the US in 2018 and in Europe 2019.
Hopefully with the UK leaving the EU we might be a bit smarter and realise the error of the law :fingers-crossed:
Stupid, stupid stupid.
I can sort of see why EV need some sort of sound. The general public are, on a whole, stupid.
Why not make a noise on proximity? And under 30MPH. And regulations to state the noise is to be phased out as EVs become more popular.
Seems pointless to make a noise of 50dB+ when you're the only vehicle and there's no one around.
Found a hybrid I can lust after.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9LZNQBfm9U
2020 sees VW making the Golf an EV / hybrid from the ground up. i.e. not retro fitted.
As hybrids go it looks pretty good, same mpg as a Golf TDi :scratch-head:
I bet the servicing is on the expensive side, still needs oil, oil filter, air filter, spark plugs, cam belt, the list goes on, lots to go wrong.
Charging lead looked awfully thin, but at least you can charge it at home, would still need to visit one of them places where people queue to put pipes in the car though, I forget what them places are called now. :P
Keep lusting Snowy :)
I just ran into 2 kids riding bikes down the road, I took a wide loop going around the and thought about the noise thing mentioned here, the damn things are silent.
I like the Golf which is now a hybrid, I looked at the Volkswagons before buying another car but VW was to high.
Carl2
This entire video is interesting, but this in particular for this thread :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fHvwa2UxDeY&feature=youtu.be&t=3m12s
Great image :thumbsup:, it seems we have come full circle, apart from the hats ;D
Volvo will only make electric and hybrid cars starting in 2019 (https://techcrunch.com/2017/07/05/volvo-will-only-make-electric-and-hybrid-cars-starting-in-2019/)
Good to see a major car manufacturer stick it's neck out and be brave enough to stop making all petrol and diesel cars.
Hopefully others will follow suit.
460hp Renault Zoe
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmJpqBgaWyk
Ok, I admit it. I want one. But I think I'm justified in saying that with that EV, range anxiety is probably a major factor. :P
Quote from: DaveMorton on July 18, 2017, 17:32:28 PM
But I think I'm justified in saying that with that EV, range anxiety is probably a major factor. :P
True, still it made it up the hill without a re-charge :LOL:
And more than that, it could probably regenerate a good part of its charge on the way down. :)
I'd like to see how it does on the Pike's Peak run. Just sayin' ;)
I really like the outside design of the 460hp Renault Zoe a lot, I'm not a blue car type of guy but for some reason it resonates with me. however i think they forgot to pay attention to the interior :scratch-head:
Yeah I like the colour of the Zoe 460hp, really nice blue :drooling:
Quote from: sybershot on July 19, 2017, 02:02:46 AM
however i think they forgot to pay attention to the interior :scratch-head:
Not sure if you are joking or not there Syber, it's been stripped out to make it as light and fast as possible. like a rally car :)
Quote from: DaveMorton on July 18, 2017, 19:00:07 PM
I'd like to see how it does on the Pike's Peak run. Just sayin' ;)
Dave, funny you should mention Pike's Peak, Nissan entered a near stock Leaf (apart from an added roll cage) to the climb, it did it in 14 minutes and 33 seconds.
QuoteNissan pointed out that, unlike the gas engine cars competing in the different divisions, the Leaf's electric motor and batteries were unaffected by the thin atmosphere at the upper third of the course.
https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/nissan-leaf-wins-its-division-in-pikes-peak-race/
While I have no supporting link to provide, I'd like to mention that one of the things that Tesla did with one of their early prototypes was to run Pikes Peak, and if memory serves, set a record or two with it. I'll have to do some research on that when I'm a bit more awake than I am now.
QuoteNot sure if you are joking or not there Syber, it's been stripped out to make it as light and fast as possible. like a rally car Smiley
was not joking, however i knew it was stripped out, i was not clear, but i was referring to no color to make it resonate like the outside does.
Just the latest news from Fully Charged, if anyone is interested.
Quite an interesting bit in there about "vehicle to grid" technology.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HyM0BXz2Rjc
I watched an interesting show with Robert some weeks back. He was trying to do something in his local village with green energy. My memory escapes me at the moment.
I like the way Robert thinks, reckon we both have a similar outlook on life, I certainly agree with his take on EV's, the way he trashes the views on EV's being "no good" is spot-on in my book.
It was his YouTube channel that opened my eyes to electric cars and made me start this thread and ultimately made me get my first EV, thank you Robert :thumbsup:
Here is his latest video in the Renault Zoe e-Sport
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RGPAynAjc0
A bit more fantastic news regarding the electric Mini, BMW will build it in the UK, regardless of Brexit. I wonder if that's because we have the knowhow and the raw materials to do so :)
BMW chooses UK to make fully electric Mini (https://www.theguardian.com/business/2017/jul/25/bmw-pledges-build-new-e-mini-uk-car-plant-cowley)
Our government has announced today that they are to ban new sales of petrol and diesel cars from 2040.
The Greens are saying their policy doesn't go far enough. I feel it is somewhat ambitious but hey, even if that ambition fails, we will be further down the road of change (pun intended).
Well I'll be 70 and probably won't give a monkeys but good news.
Quote from: Freddy on July 26, 2017, 19:03:53 PM
Well I'll be 70 and probably won't give a monkeys but good news.
Cars will all be self driving by then, I can't help but think us old gits will still be able to get around in cars :D
Quote from: Snowcrash on July 26, 2017, 17:58:36 PM
Our government has announced today that they are to ban new sales of petrol and diesel cars from 2040.
The Greens are saying their policy doesn't go far enough. I feel it is somewhat ambitious but hey, even if that ambition fails, we will be further down the road of change (pun intended).
Pretty good news, It's been on the TV all day, personally I was hoping that they would get rid of diesel cars long before that, it's good but they should have gone further, they might start to tax diesel off the road, watch this space :fingers-crossed:
The city where I live Brighton gets it's first electric Taxi
May this be the beginning of many many more.
https://thelatest.co.uk/brighton/2017/07/05/brightons-first-electric-taxi/
A cab can easily do 1000 miles per week around town. This would be a great way to reduce pollution but would need vastly more fast chargers to be built. Starting with taxi ranks I guess.
100,000 mile warranty on a battery would be reached in 2 years though. eek.
Quote from: Snowcrash on July 29, 2017, 10:29:20 AM
A cab can easily do 1000 miles per week around town. This would be a great way to reduce pollution but would need vastly more fast chargers to be built. Starting with taxi ranks I guess.
I'm not sure that we would need vastly more fast chargers, 1000 miles a week is roughly 150 miles a day, EV's are coming that will do 200 miles per charge, the taxis will be able to charge at night at home. I think just a few fast chargers would do it just incase a taxi needs a quick 20 min top up, while he has his lunch for example.
I live with an EV and have done over 150 miles in a day, it's really not hard to do with my home 7kW charger.
Quote from: Snowcrash on July 29, 2017, 10:29:20 AM
100,000 mile warranty on a battery would be reached in 2 years though. eek.
I think that is a valid point. Though to date I have never heard of an EV battery being finished in 2 years ... yet
Quote from: Snowcrash on July 29, 2017, 10:29:20 AM
A cab can easily do 1000 miles per week around town. This would be a great way to reduce pollution but would need vastly more fast chargers to be built. Starting with taxi ranks I guess.
I'm not sure that we would need vastly more fast chargers, 1000 miles a week is roughly 150 miles a day, EV's are coming that will do 200 miles per charge, the taxis will be able to charge at night at home. I think just a few fast chargers would do it just incase a taxi needs a quick 20 min top up, while he has his lunch for example.
I live with an EV and have done over 150 miles in a day, it's really not hard to do with my home 7kW charger.
Quote from: Snowcrash on July 29, 2017, 10:29:20 AM
100,000 mile warranty on a battery would be reached in 2 years though. eek.
I think that is a valid point. Though to date I have never heard of an EV battery being finished in 2 years ... yet
And I will just add this, in Japan they are already doing it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yyVeqH515NU
EDIT:
And here in the UK too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kRS04LN2nyY
I admit these videos are sponsored by Nissan but I can forgive them for blowing their own trumpet :)
I've gotten the impression that Japan and China are way ahead of the rest of the world in using EV's. The last few years the winters have been so mild and now there is talk about loosing cities in Florida and other places because of rising waters. Seems like that is what it will take before Americans wake up.
Carl2
Carl I think your country is doing more for EV's than the press and media let on, you are slowly heading in the right direction. Much of it is down to the individual as well, if people can be convinced that EV's are actually really good cars they might seriously consider buying one.
Moving on from that I came across this video and was stunned by how much electricity was needed to refine oil into fuel, it's mind boggling, if we can stop using so much to refine the oil we would have a huge amount more to put directly into the EV's.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BQpX-9OyEr4
Bit of an eye opener, no? :D
Interesting figures. Must work out the CO2 per litre for generation of fuel.
I get the following wrong too, thought I'd post even though it's a bit off topic.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YdbhnmA4M9g
I've heard people misquote this on videos a few times.
The car battery is rated in kWh and the regen is rated in kW but sometimes they say, wrongly, that it's regening at 30kWh, where it should be 30kW.
I hope that's clear :LOL:
Electric Porsche with gears and faster than the original.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AJLdzRJdKrs
Pretty good car and they are talking 200 mile range.
Carl2
Cool retro 911. 54Ah battery to give 200 mile range. And gears too!
I can't let this go by without mentioning it on the topic.
The 2018 Leaf has been unveiled.
First impressions:
It looks more like a "Normal Car".
They have gone back to analogue speedometer, why ? :scratch-head:
Nissan are trying to make the car more main stream in an effort to attract more people to the EV market. The new larger battery capacity of 40 KWH might also help with that.
A 60KWH version is also in the pipeline, maybe here in another years time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAysSoy8_Pc
Starter battery? Radiators? That IS an EV, isn't it? :o
29,000, that sounds pretty reasonable, maybe a stripped down version.
Carl2
Quote from: DaveMorton on September 10, 2017, 12:53:13 PM
Starter battery? Radiators? That IS an EV, isn't it? :o
Yes ALL serious EV's have a 12volt battery and radiators.
The 12 volt battery enables the relays that get the power flowing from the Li-on battery, it also powers the lights, in car entertainment and electric windows. should the Li-on battery go flat you would still have lights, it's a safety feature.
The radiator cools the onboard charger, they can get quite warm when passing 7kW through them, the radiators don't get used at all when DC rapid charging or just driving the car.
Now you know or anyone else that might have read your comment :D
I might get one of these new Leaf models (second hand) in 2 or 3 years time, trade in my Leaf, that's if I can live with the annoying analogy speedometer, to me it's the worst feature of the new Leaf.
From what I saw in the video, I'm not quite sure it's truly analog. It looked to me like part of the display itself, rather than a mechanical arm. Sure, it's not showing numbers, but it could be argued that it's at least partly digital. :)
I'm not too sure Dave, it does look like a old style analogue rotating stick to me but lets see in some future reviews, it could be part of the screen like you said, either way it feels like a backward step to me.
Moving on, I came across this video, what a great idea it is, go go USA :thumbsup:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoyxSQMwyIk&t=88s
Found these and thought I'd share:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9Megx8hBBo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncHybhwvxY4
Dave, thanks for posting them vids :thumbsup:
So the new Leaf does have an analogue speedometer then :confused:
I can see the first gen Leaf becoming a bit of a cult car, beauty is in the eye of the beholder but I prefer the look of the older model, it also seems far less complicated inside and as for the analogue speedometer, man that feels like a backward step to me.
The new Leaf is an EV for the masses, I get that,, but the old Leaf is a EV for the pioneers ;)
I'm a bit behind following the vids, pretty interesting. I wonder if the driver assist is a standard thing or is a costly accessory and does Data's
car has it?
Carl2
Things like "Driver assist", traction control, advanced braking assist (where the car stops for you if you're not paying attention) are all things I'm on the fence over. My nephew, Jeremy, is completely against such technologies, as he feels they let drivers "get lazy", and I somewhat see his point of view. But on the other hand, they're all steps toward wholly autonomous vehicles, and I can't wait for my trip to Mars to ride in a Johnny Cab. :P :D
LOL Dave :D
I have traction control on my Leaf and the car does need it with the torque you get from the motor, if nothing else it makes your tyres last longer.
As far as I know you only get the full on "Driver assist" on the new Leaf with the top trim level or an optional extra, the older Leaf doesn't have it at all.
This has been coming on for ages with self parking cars, the traction control for cars on slippery roads where the car decides. Decades ago I came up with an idea of sounding an alarm when a vehicle started to go into a different lane without the directional being on for drivers falling asleep, a rough surface was used instead. I watched a truck back up a hill so spread sand during a storm, don't think a computer would have thought of that.
Carl2
I'm going to drop the latest fullycharged vid in here, some pretty interesting news in there, look out for the oil company Shell and their new fuel station equipped with fast chargers and hydrogen. It's begun, however they seem to be charging way too much per kWH.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko-l-CSqV_8
As more oil companies hop on the wagon that price will drop, simply from the competition for your quid. this is early days, though, so it will take some time. :)
Quote from: DaveMorton on September 30, 2017, 18:57:42 PM
As more oil companies hop on the wagon that price will drop, simply from the competition for your quid. this is early days, though, so it will take some time. :)
It's a good point, as more of these fuel stations appear we should hopefully start to see some competitive prices. The beginning of some exciting times for EV owners.
We, as customers, always pay through the nose for convenience. I feel their price per kW is ok, seeing as they're putting in the infrastructure and supplying the convenience. As customers and competition goes up, they're prices will become more competitive.
Very handy to plan those more challenging distance drives.
Here you are Snowy the new eGolf has arrived.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ah4lrqWx8E0
I'd have to say I'm impressed by the car, nice range, nice looking. Since I couldn't afford a VW when looking at cars many years ago I wonder.
Carl2
You wouldn't regret getting an EV Carl, it's on another level to ICE cars.
The build quality looks really nice on the eGolf and like he said in the video the car just blends in, it looks like a normal Golf, it's just a lot cheaper to run and almost silent, it's the silence and smoothness of EV's that has to be experienced to be believed.
There were a couple of things about the eGolf that seem to be a little behind other EV's:
The car isn't fitted as standard with a heat pump heater, he said it was an extra that was available, that basically means the standard heater will drain the battery more in cold weather. A heat pump can extend the range by 20% (he said in the video). The Leaf has a heat pump.
Then there is the charging, he said that it can be charged at 16 amp from the mains supply or 40kW DC fast charge, I think that is a little behind others, my Leaf for example can be charged at 32 amp from the mains or 50kW DC fast charge. Considering it has a bigger battery than the Leaf it could take a while to charge at home.
I'm not knocking the car though, it does look like VW are finally starting to take EV's seriously.
We would normally be getting a lot of winter storms but for the past few years winters have been milder with much less snow, still pretty cold though so a good heater is necessary. My car still runs without problems though so I'm not in a hurry. Big thing is that the mileage is acceptable but charging rate could be improved.
The majority of cars in the US are still the big gas guzzlers and I don't think that will change soon enough. Trump is probably driven around in something closer to a tank than a car.
Carl2
I like the looks. Very like the PHEV version. At £30k new, I wonder where the price will be in 5 years.
Unless I win some money (not likely as I don't gamble) 5 years would be realistic.
Don't worry Snowy, you will get a used eGolf half price in 2 years time, get a free home charger from the government and pay for the car from the shed loads of cash you will save from not buying petrol :thumbsup:
It's doable, if you believe :)
this was cool!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=610Amyhpzzk
Always wanted an E-Type when I was younger, who didn't ?
I love it and it's in the same colour as my Leaf :D
Jaguar was a favorite of mine also, Had to stick with the American made cars though.
Carl2
The only real problem with that, Carl, is that most classic American muscle cars are simply too heavy to make a truly useful EV out of. I think that the only exceptions would be the AC Cobra, or maybe pre-70's Corvettes. Even a classic Ford GT would be too heavy to be useful. Now maybe a reproduction, made from aluminum/carbon fiber would work, but then it's not the same, is it? :) Still, the thought of a 70 Super Bee EV is intriguing. :D
The T birds were small sport cars at one time, there was a song about the fuel injected corvettes and T birds racing way back in the 60 - 70's. By the time I was able to buy a T-bird it was big, a full size American car, took some of the fun out of it.
Carl2
My first car was a 63 T-bird, and while it was a 2 door, it was still large and heavy. I took out the 390 under the hood and wedged in a Mercury 430CID engine with 3 2bbl carbs. The car was wicked fast, but took a LOOOONNNGG time to slow down because it was so heavy. :) And like so many silly children with more car than they could handle, I ended up wrapping it around a tree. but thank God for that tree, because it was the only thing that kept me from plummeting over a 350 foot cliff. :o
I totaled my first new car sliding on ice, my car bounced backwards and ended up in a driveway. I slid downwards but was perfectly okay, the other driver went to the hospital for whatever reason. The car was totaled but insurance paid for it and I bought another one of the same thing.
Carl2
EV's are really starting to take hold in China now, thanks to it's governments "incentives".
I think this is great news for the rest of the world, they do seem to be getting serious about pollution levels.
Way to go China 8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WwX6tkiCNOo
Today children we are going to play spot the Leaf.
How may can you see in this video ?
On a side not I've got to get me some solar panels ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EtegQfZQRw
I forgot about the game but still liked the vid. Very interesting and a great idea. So much energy that can be converted to electricity. I wonder how much money the maker of the vid has spent so far on this electricity stuff.
Carl2
Heaps of new EV's coming in the next year or so 8)
Top 10 All-New Electric Cars to Go on Sale in 2018-2019
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFOpnHBXOjo
Shell stuck to their word and have installed the first 50kW fast charger in a gas/petrol station, soon to be followed with 9 more, they are going to run a test scheme to help them understand EV owners and how they want to charge their cars.
Seriously who would have thought it, an oil company backing EV's :scratch-head:
Things are moving so fast now, it's a pleasure to be alive ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9K6zxy3oxBA
I like the front end of the Merc SUV with the clear plastic over the badge etc.
Not that I want one but good to see the market moving. They stated 2023 as the point of no return for EV over ICE. Ambitious but doable. Some countries will be there but the world will be a bit behind that point, I reckon.
Data, that was a fascinating video, and it's terrific that shell has gotten into the game in such a consumer oriented way. While an EV isn't in the cards for me for a while yet, it's certainly on the horizon at some point. Most of that is due to you sharing your experiences here, so thanks and hats off to you. :)
I'm impressed at the all the different car models out there, guess you have to look at the right places that I haven't done yet, something for everyone it seems. The range has gotten up there to something that would make more useful, maybe it'll kick out the hybrids.
Now I wonder how Shell got into providing electricity for the e cars, maybe they provide fuel for electric generators and that statement is almost a joke. A company that big is going to put it's billions into something else.
Carl2
great video, I was shocked and happy to actually see a gas station host a charging station seeing there is a direct competition going on there.
Quote from: sybershot on October 22, 2017, 22:33:00 PM
great video, I was shocked and happy to actually see a gas station host a charging station seeing there is a direct competition going on there.
There isn't, really. It's more like just offering a different "fuel", somewhat like diesel vs gas.
Quote from: Snowcrash on October 22, 2017, 13:43:14 PM
I like the front end of the Merc SUV with the clear plastic over the badge etc.
I like the Jaguar I-PACE, looks pretty normal, has plenty of room inside, loads of power and 320 mile range. I can dream :D
Quote from: DaveMorton on October 22, 2017, 14:18:34 PM
While an EV isn't in the cards for me for a while yet, it's certainly on the horizon at some point. Most of that is due to you sharing your experiences here, so thanks and hats off to you. :)
Steady Dave, if you don't argue against EV's then what is the point of this thread :LOL:
Quote from: Carl2 on October 22, 2017, 21:55:07 PM
The range has gotten up there to something that would make more useful, maybe it'll kick out the hybrids.
Yeah I would personally drop the idea of going hybrid, they will just keep us addicted to oil and all the negative stuff that comes with it.
Quote from: Data on October 23, 2017, 11:43:50 AM
Quote from: DaveMorton on October 22, 2017, 14:18:34 PM
While an EV isn't in the cards for me for a while yet, it's certainly on the horizon at some point. Most of that is due to you sharing your experiences here, so thanks and hats off to you. :)
Steady Dave, if you don't argue against EV's then what is the point of this thread :LOL:
Never have I once argued against EV, Data. Granted, I've made a lot of excuses as to why they're going to take a while to grab hold here in the US, I never once even
hinted that I would never own one. Funny thing is, though, that the major selling factor for me isn't so much the reduced cost of operating one, or the fact that they're helping to save the environment, though those are important; it's the fact that they're so damned
QUIET! I love the idea of sneaking up on people, or screaming off the line at a light with only the whisper (ok, maybe squeal) of the tires the only thing that you hear. :D :thumbsup:
Quote from: DaveMorton on October 23, 2017, 11:51:43 AM
it's the fact that they're so damned QUIET! I love the idea of sneaking up on people, or screaming off the line at a light with only the whisper (ok, maybe squeal) of the tires the only thing that you hear. :D :thumbsup:
Yes indeed, when I test drove the Leaf it was the quietness and smoothness of the car that blew me away, it has to be experienced to be believed. On top of that it's the instant power that is stunning, you know we love our roundabouts over here don't you ? well it's never been easier to just pop into a gap when you see one, just press the accelerator and have total confidence that the car will jump straight in to the gap. EV's eliminate the hesitation of ICE cars completely.
They also don't need to warn up and run rough, the heaters work instantly too.
And driving slow in traffic is just so easy.
Also you can hear the people talking in their cars around you at the traffic lights, they have no idea that your car is completely silent, it's quite funny really ;D
Well I have a 2003 Chevy Malibu which is on the older side, There is really no warm up as there had been decades ago with the carbs. You turn the key, it quickly starts and idles at 1,500 rpm, a bit high and I like to let it drop a bit but it is ready to drive. In the winter I have to drive a few blocks before warm air starts to come out the heater. A bad feature it has is when defrosting the windshield it requires outside air while I want to recirculate warmer inside air. The heater is made to heat the temp of the air so many degrees and starting with a warmer temp gives a warmer output. Have to look at that again, ice forming on the wipers and windshield is bad.
I worked with electricity for years they are doing great things with it.
Carl2
Electric Sceptics:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cDhy4Kf7tro
Dynamic Electric Vehicle Charging
Very cool technology but I'm not convinced that standard EV cars are going to need it, range and charge times are improving pretty rapidly now.
However, I wonder how long it will be until we see this in our bus lanes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t0E4AcVu6o
Nice idea but looks $$$£££. And who would pay for it? If freight becomes electric it may be useful, I guess.
While watching the vid my mind began thinking of have the car drive over magnets with coils in the car that will generate voltage while traveling over the magnets. I'll have to try that.
Carl2
I don't see this tech as being one long continuous strip of charging plates on every road, but something along the lines of "charging zones" in high congestion areas along major highways (say, M25 around London, or the M1 and M4 and other highways headed out of/into London) may be a thing in about 5-10 years, especially if they were mated with transparent solar panels (https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/188667-a-fully-transparent-solar-cell-that-could-make-every-window-and-screen-a-power-source) in a "dome", or "arch" configuration over these charging zones. the tech needs to evolve more in order to make it feasible, but I think it will come about at some point. :)
Yes I think you might be right Dave, if it happens it's going to be in some places and not others, putting the technology under every road will never happen.
I also think Snowy made a valid point, it does look like pretty expensive kit, someone would have to pay for it but who.
In the meantime E.on are going to install 10,000 rapid chargers in Europe by 2020, excellent news :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SONGVntOgyA
https://goo.gl/fNJThh
"The biggest problem with electrified cars may be car buyers"
"Electric car sales have been very low even with incentives
Autonomous cars may be the saving Grace for electric power trains"
" fewer than 5 percent of searches on car-buying site KBB.com are for electric or hybrid vehicles"
"And some analysts expect battery costs to drop over the next several years to the point where electric cars are less expensive than internal combustion engines."
" Ferrari CEO suggests electric cars may not be as clean as they seem"
The last statement is made because most electricity is made with oil producing the electricity.
" Tesla's head of battery engineering exits to start a battery and power train startup in California."
It is a bit difficult to find places selling e cars here.
Carl2
Quote from: Carl2 on November 08, 2017, 15:04:33 PM
" Ferrari CEO suggests electric cars may not be as clean as they seem"
The last statement is made because most electricity is made with oil producing the electricity.
Oh! that old excuse rising it's head again :headbang:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qb0ueC_7DLM
I'm beginning to think that England, Europe and Asia are ahead of America as far as sun and wind providing electric energy and the use of e cars.
Carl2
I found a rather interesting website a couple of days ago that shows US energy production/consumption in a number of ways, including maps that show how energy (not just electricity, BTW) is produced, transported and consumed for the entire USA. It's put out by the US Energy Information Agency (a part of the the US Department of Energy), and the site is fascinating. I think that it's well worth having a look at. I wonder if the UK has a similar agency, and whether they have a similar website. It might be interesting to compare the two, don't you?
https://www.eia.gov
@Data, I'm not sure the relevance of that vid you shared. The windmills are pretty, but it doesn't really impart any information, and that tiny fragment of "Old Cape Cod" doesn't add much. Just sayin'. :D
Quote from: DaveMorton on November 09, 2017, 13:18:40 PM
@Data, I'm not sure the relevance of that vid you shared. The windmills are pretty, but it doesn't really impart any information, and that tiny fragment of "Old Cape Cod" doesn't add much. Just sayin'. :D
I thought it spoke volumes to be honest, it's a chill out video, wind farms are coming online at quite a rate here in the UK, not to mention solar, wave, marine, hydro, in 2015, 2 years ago, renewable energy accounted for 25% of our energy needs.
Early next year our very own wind farm starts up, its going to power much of Sussex where I live, every wind farm that comes online makes an EV cleaner, EV's are clean because they don't pollute the towns and cities they drive in and they are getting cleaner all the time as more renewable energy comes online, EV owners don't have to do anything for that to happen, they can just chill out :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0czp1NS306U&t=56s
Have to post this quality rant, I read the article (BS) in the Daily Mail before Robert made this video, I really don't know why some news outlets are so anti electric cars but it worries me that so many people actually believe the crap they spew out.
I'm not going to link to the "article". Instead here is the rant, it actually follows on from my previous post quite nicely too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELyGrIQTqjw
I didn't get much from his Rant, I came across the same type on thing on the internet. It is much easier to take a class on some specific topic and get an approved textbook to read from, kind of like this is how we shall think. Anyone can write on the internet, make a video or do a review and we have to decide what to do with the info.
It seems Tesla has some new products planed for the future, I believed it would be called a tractor or the truck for moving freight or trailers and also a roadster.
Carl2
I didn't really understand a lot of that rant, but there was some encouraging information like our greener energy usage.
Here's an electric car for when you win the lottery :
https://hexus.net/ce/news/automotive/112301-teslas-new-roadster-the-quickest-car-world/
I just learned Tesla moved a big load of batteries to some island that was hit by a hurricane and had no electricity. He seems to have so much work ahead of him but has time to help, I'm beginning to like him. He still has Ford and Chevy in front of him and has to get past.
Carl2
If I'm right, that "island" was Puerto Rico, which is STILL recovering from that hurricane a couple of months ago.
Quote from: Freddy on November 17, 2017, 16:21:03 PM
I didn't really understand a lot of that rant, but there was some encouraging information like our greener energy usage.
Yes that's the main point to the rant, power an EV on green energy and it's far cleaner than a petrol or diesel powered car, power it from dirty energy (coal) and it's still cleaner than petrol or diesel but the Daily Mail tried their best to twist the figures.
It's a huge fail on behalf of the Daily Mail but unfortunately people read it and some tend to believe it.
I know from personal experience and arguments I've had with some people that still believe EV's are dirty polluters :Head-Slap:
One other little fact that gets over looked is an EV's ability to generate its power as it's driven, for me about 1/4 to 1/3 of the cars electricity is generated by the cars regen system, that has to be the greenest and cleanest quarter of a tank of gas ever :D
Took a screenshot from the video, the UK national grid have confirmed that more than 50% of our electricity in the summer of 2017 was low carbon, yes some encouraging information indeed and as we move into the future and more wind farms and other renewables come on-line things will get greener/cleaner.
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Tesla is a "losing enterprise" that won't last, Bob Lutz, former vice chairman of General Motors, told CNBC on Friday.
Among the issues facing the electric-car maker are fixed costs that are out of control, an inefficient manufacturing operation and no dealership network, Lutz said.
GM batteries are arguably more capable and lower cost.
The Question that can't be answered is why can't GM put out a car as desirable as the Tesla Car?
Carl2
While Tesla may be thought of as a "losing enterprise", you have to admit that they've been leading the "charge" (pun intended) in tech evolution for the EV market. I just found this that I found very impressive:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQvGSkTYJSE
Enjoy. :)
Thanks for that video Dave :thumbsup:
I so admire what Tesla have achieved, the future is here now for the people that believe in EV's, on the same day they announced the new Roadster, 0 to 60 in 1.9 seconds and a range of over 600 miles.
Impressive stuff for those that can afford it but let's not forget the other manufactures who make EV's for the average people, these manufactures will bring EV's to everyone and the manufactures that don't will be left behind, I hope they are watching, Electric cars are coming, quietly but they are coming ;)
Some more EV news including the Tesla Roadster:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LK1oSsmLzNc
Very nice video she put out, I was able to watch a few videos where someone bought a water damaged e car and was able to repair it, these are Tesla cars, I also came across a video where a Tesla had a slightly damaged rear door and the area behind the door, cost for repair was about 30,000. Something about sensors. Tesla has there own repair shops which they will sell parts to which some people don't like. People trying to repair the water damaged vehicles are not allowed to buy parts.
I tried to find a dealer selling e cars, the link said this dealer sells e cars but in reality it did not, same with another link, no e cars.
Carl2
Carl is there a Chevrolet dealer near you ? you could test drive a Bolt if there is.
Possibly not, Data. Not all Chevy dealers have Bolts in stock.
Quote from: DaveMorton on November 19, 2017, 01:43:00 AM
Not all Chevy dealers have Bolts in stock.
How strange is that, they should at least have one there as a test drive car, they should also have a charging point in every dealership, no wonder Chevy aren't selling as many EV's as they would like.
In the UK I could stop at any Nissan dealership and get a charge, most of the time for free, Nissan do seem to be serious about EV's, I guess Chevy still have a way to go.
Chevy moved out of the city into the country, I was able to find a Volt in the drop down but when chosen there was no car, No Bolt listed. A Chevy site will list and show the Bolt just a website though. It has a 238 mile range, my car has about a 10 gal tank and gets about 180 miles. Very low prices on the used small engine cars.
Here is a vid on the Bolt,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2ogGZXmepY
Carl2
I like the Bolt, a lot, had my eye on it for a while, unfortunately it's not available in the UK and there are very few Chevy dealerships here so it's not even an option for us but if I was in the USA ...
I would never buy a chevy volt, for 1 reason, they are a huge pain in the rear to work on. If another one ever pulls into my stall I will turn it down.
We were actually discussing the full-on EV, named the BOLT, Syber, not the hybrid VOLT. Just sayin'. :P :D
Anyone serious about pollution needs to tackle trucks esp. semi-trucks (articulated lorry over here or 'artic' or heavy good vehicle, HGV).
Down to rolling out the numbers and economy of scale. And governments getting involved in building the other 99 giga factories to build the batteries.
Would love to see Tesla's tax return books.
Found some bits. Q3 last year saw a profit. Q4 was a loss. Link. (https://www.cnbc.com/2017/02/22/tesla-earnings-q4-2016.html)
With this interesting bit...
QuoteLater this year, Tesla said it plans finalize locations for its third, fourth, and possibly a fifth Gigafactory. The company already has one Gigafactory in Nevada, where it makes batteries and will make Model 3 components, and a second factory in New York where it makes solar power products.
Q1 & Q2 were still a loss for 2017. Link. (https://www.cnbc.com/2017/08/02/tesla-second-quarter-earnings-2017.html)
But the guy is still building a business.
Quote from: Snowcrash on November 19, 2017, 22:53:54 PM
Anyone serious about pollution needs to tackle trucks esp. semi-trucks (articulated lorry over here or 'artic' or heavy good vehicle, HGV).
Down to rolling out the numbers and economy of scale. And governments getting involved in building the other 99 giga factories to build the batteries.
It's possible that Tesla aren't going to have it all their own way, hydrogen might well become the fuel of choice for trucks, ships and even some trains. It's just my opinion but that is where hydrogen might well play a part in the not-too-distant future.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B52MpalkZsE
Some more good news for EV owners in the UK, just announced yesterday.
QuoteThe Chancellor of the Exchequer has announced a £400million fund to develop electric car charging infrastructure across the UK, as part of a push towards electric and autonomous vehicles.
Quote
“Our future vehicles will be driverless but will be electric first,” said Philip Hammond, who also announced an extra £100m for the Plug-In Car Grant, which subsidises purchases of electric and hybrid vehicles, and £40m to go towards charging research.
http://www.imeche.org/news/news-article/uk-will-invest-400m-in-electric-car-charging-infrastructure
I make that Shell, BP, E-ON and now the government all investing in charging infrastructures across the UK. :sign-rock-on:
Soon no one will be able to say "you can't charge them anywhere :very-angry:". even though you can already. :D
But seriously this is going to be needed as more people wake up, see the light, breathe the clean air and switch to electric.
It won't be soon enough for me unfortunately. I'm planning on buying a second hand car soon, but I can't afford electric. I've been off the road for a long time, so I figure my footprint is still minimal.
Quote from: Freddy on November 23, 2017, 18:16:30 PM
It won't be soon enough for me unfortunately. I'm planning on buying a second hand car soon, but I can't afford electric. I've been off the road for a long time, so I figure my footprint is still minimal.
Fair enough Freddy, just don't get a diesel, apart from the filth they put out the UK government are going to tax the hell out of them.
No it won't be diesel :)
I saw a few interesting things on the internet, Self driving cars will decide who dies in a crash.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news/self-driving-cars-will-decide-who-dies-in-a-crash/ar-BBFyqFi?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp
Seems like a pretty hard program to write, it is probably made harder because each state has there own laws.
I'm also interested in the hydrogen approach to provide power to the vehicles, have to see how that is going to work out and if it will be applied to cars.
Carl2
I hate to see when people politicize innovation such as EV, and I find it somewhat upsetting that some media outfits are leading the charge. Here's an example of what I'm talking about. Please bear in mind that I DO NOT share any of the views expressed here. I'm just the messenger. :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63sLVQ9RnAw
The same thing probably happened when people moved from horses to cars - ie, plenty of people saying nah it's never going to happen.
I don't think it's going to be plain sailing moving all trucks over to electric or hydrogen from diesel, there will be some difficulties to overcome but it will happen, they can't stop progress. Also I don't see it as being anything to do with government, business and profit will move the technology forward, I believe that is how capitalism works in the real world.
One other slight problem, what do we do when the oil runs out or will it last for ever :scratch-head:
We need a plan B, let's get working on it now ;)
Good find though Dave :thumbsup: I've encountered the same mentality quite a few times, I am prepared to listen to their arguments but every time they fail to convince me.
Time to lighten things up a little bit :)
Here is a video of "a day in the life of a Nissan Leaf", it's a 24kWh Leaf like mine, gives a good idea of the range and features of the car, the guy also talks about his experience of owning it for 2 years, he delivers the video in a calm (British) type way, about 45 mins long, if anyone is interested or has the time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H1dexeM-pT8
Oh, boy, more controversy! Ain't life GRAND? :P
I'm going to share two Youtube vids, as well as a link to a site that (I believe) can provide some moderately trustworthy facts to back up one or the other of the videos here. I'll let you figure out for yourselves which one.
first, are EV "really" green?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17xh_VRrnMU
Now, for the "other side":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9m9WDxmSN8
Ok, now for a link or three to provide some (hopefully) unbiased data, all (admittedly) from a single overall source:
US Energy Generation (https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/index.cfm?page=electricity_in_the_united_states) (EIA)
Emissions From Electricity Generation (https://www.eia.gov/energyexplained/index.cfm?page=electricity_environment) (EIA)
Which fuels Create Which Emissions (https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.php?id=73&t=11) (EIA)
Some numbers for those who don't wish to read the articles:
US Electricity Generation Sources:
Source | Percentage | Lbs of CO2 per Million BTU* |
Natural Gas | 34% | 117 |
Coal | 30% | 216.6** |
Nuclear | 20% | 0*** |
Petroleum | 1% | 159.25** |
Renewables (wind/solar/etc.) | 15% | 0*** |
* Based on the burning of the fuel, not necessarily the electricity generated - This is the best data I could find
** Averaged against multiple sources of the same general type (e.g. gasoline and diesel, or Anthracite, lignite or bituminous (coal))
*** As no "fuel" is burned, no CO
2 emission data is included
I'm not a fan of these "statistic" within a short space of time they become out-dated especially in places where they are actively bringing more renewable energy online.
Looking at them videos in both cases an EV is said to be greener, the first video really does try it's best to poopoo doesn't it but in the end has to admit that EV's produce less CO2. I make that a win for electric cars 8)
Doesn't this come down to how clean the electricity powering the EV's is ? Hang on, I think we have been here before ... many times now.
President Trump says coal is going to be clean, I heard him say it on TV, no really I did.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezH2ED6RBcg
So if coal is going to become clean then EV's win with or without renewable energy :-\
However if Trump was slightly misleading us then maybe we should be looking at alternative energy supplies, just in case. Fortunately some people are working on it, right now.
National Grid confirms summer 2017 as “greenest ever” and launches “world’s first” green energy forecast (http://media.nationalgrid.com/press-releases/uk-press-releases/corporate-news/national-grid-confirms-summer-2017-as-greenest-ever-and-launches-world-s-first-green-energy-forecast/)
Seriously, the argument is over:
EV's are cleaner than petrol/diesel powered cars.
EV's don't give out nasty emissions in our towns and cities.
As cleaner/greener energy comes online EV's become cleaner.
Hey! maybe even Trumps new "really clean coal", ok, I admit it's a long shot :LOL:
I came across this vid and had to include it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vb25sZbsFtw
Carl2
Clarkson seems to have changed his mind, I did wonder how long it would take him ;D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KEN-cxmGw8
Clarkson was talking about the first Tesla Roadster in the last video, here is a video with some interesting facts about the "old" car, well I found it interesting :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k32eVwcK6mU
Just posting the weekly news, some info in this vid about Bolt sales, the new Leaf in production in the US, Honda finally starting to make an EV and lots more.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ylyfeX6KHd4
The stock market says Tesla just got two separate orders for the semi, one for 40 and one for 50 so they will have some money coming in. The stock market keeps posing the question as to will Tesla run out of money and fail or will it be successful. There cars seem to be the most sought after cars out there. There is a lot to the company and they seem to be way ahead of other companies. I wish them luck.
Carl2
I've seen quite a lot about Tesla running out of money and being in manufacturing hell. I hear they're losing $8000 per minute. That's over and above running costs and sales.
I think it's due to being a start up company not an established car manufacturer. Nissan can soak up the R&D cost of a new model easier then Tesla.
Tesla are not punting the model S as they're over subscribed and are having trouble getting them out of the door quickly enough. They make more money on the model X and roadster.
This coming year will see Tesla either make a profit, require a cash injection or go bust. Seeing as it's turnover is very respectful I doubt it will go bust. On paper they're looking Ok but their cash flow sucks. They need more units out of the door.
Go Elon, Go.
Elon Musk has so much going on I don't know how he does it. He's getting into AI which I guess he'll use for driving his cars, it's a big thing. He has a very good feel for things needed or wanted, He already has money but money needed to keep the company running is another thing.
Carl2
Time is going to tell with Tesla but how can something that is so much fun not succeed, it would be a massive shame, people want the cars and I can't help thinking that if there is a market for a product then it will succeed in the long run.
Forever an optimised for EV's me, they put a smile on your face unlike any other cars, time for a bit of Tesla fun and smiles. :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spL2mtjwK-A
I found this which I don't think is a good video but it's the best I could find
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hITmHg4Mpc
Carl2
Some top analysis here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zEVY1wjmg9c
I'd seen that vid, actually I've been following the Tesla stocks also, it's pretty much a we'll see from where I stand. Musk is up to too much to be able to keep track of him. Rather funny but I wouldn't to be able to buy a Tesla since I'm a do it yourself type of person, Tesla won't sell parts for there cars and work has to be done by Tesla or maybe an authorized garage.
Carl2
Quote from: Data on December 13, 2017, 17:35:28 PM
Some top analysis here:
Thanks, enjoyed that one. Hmm, is...is Elon Musk Iron Man ?
I'm sure he would be, if there was an IronMan. Except that Tony Stark had a carefully staged misogynistic persona, and we don't see that with Mr. Musk, so maybe he's secretly a super villain instead? :P :D
Quote from: DaveMorton on December 14, 2017, 01:24:40 AM
so maybe he's secretly a super villain instead? :P :D
:LOL: I'm sure some other cars manufacturers do see Mr. Musk in that light. Oh no the electric car is coming and we are years behind :scratch-head: what about all our oil shares :eeeek: time for some dirty tactics and misinformation spreading :thumbsup:
The batteries all explode :tick:
The batteries will degrade very quickly (you will be lucky if they last 3 years) :tick:
You can't charge them anywhere :tick:
They are unreliable :tick:
You will see them all over the place broken down with flat batteries :tick:
They don't have enough range for every day use :tick:
They are no greener than gas powered cars :tick:
Global warming is a hoax anyway :tick:
The pollution we breath in our towns and cities isn't as bad as they make out :tick:
The electricity is made from dirty coal :tick:
We are going to have "really clean coal" forget the last 4 ticks :tick:
The future is oil and coal, it will last for ever and a day :tick:
:rofl:
:LOL:
One of the latest Tesla vids
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3HcxzX2teuE
It seems the people programing aren't worried about stock prices.
Carl2
I'm just going to post the weekly news.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCkxo9TxPao
She seems to be able to stay up to date on these things.
Carl2
Quote from: Carl2 on December 18, 2017, 15:29:25 PM
She seems to be able to stay up to date on these things.
Carl2
lol I
hope so! That's her job, after all. :D
If anyone hasn't had the chance to see this yet and wants to ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEksuVcjq78
I enjoyed the film, the antlers were a nice Christmas thing, I also watched a 2018 Nissan film, it seems they have a very good start since they have made so many cars already.
Carl2
This is related, Art posted this video over on Dreams. Lights that come on when cars are passing. Great idea :
https://www.chonday.com/28160/steliahg6/
The college I attended in Carson City already has that tech installed in much of their outdoor lighting, especially in areas around the backs of buildings, and remote parking areas. Not only does it save energy (and thus, money), it also makes for less overall light pollution, which is great for the observatory up the hill. It's more or less the same motion detection tech available elsewhere, but instead of it being an all or nothing thing, it's a dim/bright thing, which is safer. I rather like the idea, and wish more places would employ this sort of lighting. :)
Neat idea Freddy and some good points Dave :thumbsup:
It's technology like this that will help EV's in the long run too, all the talk of "where is the power going to come from to power the electric cars" Well much of it will come from new technologies that save massive amounts of power that we waste already. Just changing all the street lights to LED would be a huge saving then having them dimmable like this will take it another step forward in savings.
Looking forward to 2018, hoping that a surge in EV ownership is going to happen, with the new Leaf coming out and plenty of other new EV's this could be the turning point year 8)
We need to get more bums on EV driving seats, once experienced they will NOT go back to ICE ;)
As promised by Robert of Fully Charged, they've released a number of videos from the Tokyo Motor Show. Here are two of them:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHpcnqi4t8Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pi2wrqAlK5Q
Good to see Honda finally embrace the here and now, they seem to have been obsessed over the last 10 years with hydrogen powered cars but lets be honest, it's got them nowhere.
Well done Honda, better late than never. :thumbsup:
The concept cars look great but full kudos will only be given when we start to see Honda EV's on the road.
Lots going on with electric cars, I also watched vids on Volkswagon, Toytoa and Tesla. Time will tell.
Carl2
I saw a new Nissan Leaf 2018 on the road yesterday, which is a little odd because I don't think the car has been officially released yet.
Off topic but only the car bit...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZobJdaSDsPM
Great to see the Australians taking the new electric boom seriously, admittedly some of this technology is still prototype but heading in the right sustainable direction.
Good vid Snowy :thumbsup:
With advancements being made in transport toward a more sustainable future, perhaps it's fitting that we should discuss more than electric cars here. I think that Snowy's video share isn't as off topic as one might think, so here's another one about electric trains from Fully Charged:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s4heZe7ChM
I think it's possible that trains might be one of the places we see hydrogen being used, so yeah it's possible but the development does seem to be going to battery powered trains.
Got to post the latest FullyCharged vid, an outlook of things to come in electric cars and the up-take of the technology, very informative, balanced with a bit of humour.
Erik Fairbairn, the founder & CEO of POD Point, the manufacturer of the charger I have fitted at home. I also use POD Point public chargers from time to time. He knows his stuff.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9k7k3Mzknm8
Interesting vid, the material covered was done very well.
Carl2
First drive in a Jaguar iPace, if I had the money this might be the car to pull me away from the Leaf, but it's a big if ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDRMfjr10mw
The first thing I noticed is it was in California which is where most of the electric cars in the US are sold. I've always liked the Jaguars but because of price, parts availability, and repair prices being high I'd stayed with American cars. Nice car but I'm not wealthy.
Carl2
Oh yes it's an expensive car for sure, maybe if we win the lottery :D
Quote from: Carl2 on January 19, 2018, 13:07:38 PM
parts availability,
That is something that is far less of a worry with EV's, less moving parts = less things to go wrong.
ICE car 3000 moving parts, electric car 300 moving parts, roughly.
Moving on, it's been pretty cold here recently and I've found myself using the pre-heat in the car, lovely getting in to a warm car :) Normally I warm it up for 5 mins or so but how much power does it take from the battery ?
Note, you can use pre-heat while the car is on charge and take nothing from the battery.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgd-n2iAiX0
Since I worked in electronics I've always been a fan of doing things electrically rather than some mechanically. I'd have to say though the electric car isn't possible without the lithium battery which is actually chemistry. The first time I heard of lithium it was being prescribed as a medicine.
Carl2
It's the price of servicing all them moving parts and buying the expensive fuel that will finally kill of ICE, that's my hope anyway. Most people don't want to spend more than they have to. Money talks ;)
Just going to post the latest FullyCharged vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdcStTvvUs8
Going to post these short videos, not really for our sites members but I've watched them all, I thought 3 was the best.
They are an easy to understand tutorial on owning an electric car.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8GK2B8RftM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5kVPpxAiwCU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rpPvL3MaVo0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_8lBikCF3Q
Quote from: Robert Llewellyn
I'm not terribly clever, but I manage.
:rofl:
I actually preferred the second video. I really like the idea of fitting streetlights with EV charge sockets, and think that would be a very cost effective way to add EV charging infrastructure quickly. It's kind of brilliant, really. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Quote from: DaveMorton on February 01, 2018, 15:15:40 PM
I actually preferred the second video. I really like the idea of fitting streetlights with EV charge sockets, and think that would be a very cost effective way to add EV charging infrastructure quickly. It's kind of brilliant, really. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
I probably agree with you there, the 3rd video made me laugh when Robert was driving the ICE car but yes, the 2nd vid explaining the charging of an EV does give some really good info and should help people understand that charging isn't an issue, charge the car mostly at home and use the satnav to find charging points on longer runs.
What a bright idea to have streetlight charging points :D
That more or less puts the infrastructure for charging EV's about 85% in place already, even here in the US. Even a Walmart parking lot could be EV friendly very easily and quickly! I've a streetlight right outside my house, and while I hate it for the light pollution it creates, if it had a couple of EV charging sockets on it, I almost wouldn't care about that (provided I had an EV, of course ;) ).
OK this is an advert but it's for a good cause :D
The New 2018 Leaf.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GkPjaTwp24
Nice advert, but I was really hoping for something... Longer? Meatier? Educational? Oh well. :)
Pretty lasses, though, so :thumbsup: for that. :P :D
Fair point Dave but don't worry, plenty more will come later :P
For now a few pointers:
The American Leaf is made in the USA :tick:
The British Leaf is made in the UK :tick:
No monkeys were harmed in the making of the video or car :tick:
Quote from: Data on February 05, 2018, 18:15:28 PM
No monkeys were harmed...
but... BUT... Don't you see? This "politically correct" bollux needs to stop!
MONKEYS MUST BE HARMED!!!Ok, maybe not, but... :P
Quote from: DaveMorton on February 05, 2018, 18:19:44 PM
MONKEYS MUST BE HARMED!!!
Then the Leaf is not for you my friend, maybe look at Volkswagen :P
I'm actually composing a new thread about that bit. I certainly don't wish to see primates harmed, but this political correctness thing must be stopped. It's going to be a bit of a long post, and more than a bit of a rant, but I feel it's important to get it out. It's going to be a few more minutes before I get it posted.
Here's one that I found very interesting:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-dav55oUJ-w&index=2&list=WL
Not my kind of car but it looks good for a lot of people, guess it would be great in the snow which I do like.
Carl2
£100 a week cheaper to run than the diesel equivalent, far less noise and pollution, less servicing required, what's not to like about it :scratch-head:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOxnJQP2_0E
For £10 a week more on lease/hire (inc. sweeteners no doubt) and built in Britain.
:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Yeah I forgot to mention the TX cab is made in Britain, good point :thumbsup:
Also all the digital gadgets in it, fantastic, a cab for the 21st century 8)
This video popped up on YouTube, if you listen very carefully you can just about hear the sound of a penny dropping inside Clarkson's head. :LOL:
I like the way Clarkson says that you never get the advertised range stated by the manufacturer but forgets to mention the MPG advertised by the ICE car manufacturers in "perfect conditions" is just as flawed. :no-no:
Anyway I seriously enjoyed watching it drag race against the Audi R8 V10 600 HP noise making machine. I think the Tesla does cost a few quid more than a full spec R8 but the Tesla just gives you more. You get what you pay for :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-e1N6mZ5XR4&t=49s
Link above doesn't work for me. Taken down?
Here's the latest from VW on Fully Charged.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQut6ks3nSY
Quote from: Snowcrash on February 17, 2018, 14:01:58 PM
Link above doesn't work for me. Taken down?
Yes it was taken down but I've found another copy of the video, quality isn't as good on the copy though. See how long that one stays up ;)
Quote from: Snowcrash on February 17, 2018, 14:01:58 PM
Here's the latest from VW on Fully Charged.
Yeah I wasn't sure if I should reply to that, what I want to say might not go down well, Oh what the hell, I will try to keep it balanced, fair and correct.
Wow! the misleading diesel emissions (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_emissions_scandal) and monkey fumigator (https://www.theguardian.com/business/2018/jan/30/vw-suspends-media-chief-monkey-exhaust-tests-diesel-emissions) company are really trying hard to fix their reputation, now with 3 new environmentally friendly concept cars that can't be purchased yet, impressive :-\
I think that is correct and fair, the links provide valuable information.
Thanks for posting the vid Snowy, you made my life a bit easier :)
Lots of reviews out there for the new Leaf but I really liked this one, these guys have had EVs for years and do know their stuff.
Well worth watching.
They do mention [spoiler]monkeys[/spoiler] once but I think they got away with it ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCUMi0XSyos
Nice vid, guess it will keep me up to date on the e cars, Guess it will be a few years before they begin selling around here.
Carl2
Watch your back Tesla the Jaguar I-PACE has arrived :sign-go-team:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fErFiWjoeCQ
Jag will only sell 1 for every 10-100 Teslas I reckon.
Which will break down 1st and what are their ranges would be better info.
Jag is £64k (https://www.jaguar.co.uk/jaguar-range/i-pace/index.html) and "Up to 298 miles WLTP*"
Quote from: Snowcrash on March 02, 2018, 17:51:56 PM
Which will break down 1st
That's an odd question Snowy :-\
How long is a piece of string ?
Quote from: Data on March 02, 2018, 20:32:14 PM
How long is a piece of string ?
My Dad used to say that when one of us children asked a silly question. :) Thanks for the flashback, Data. Remembering my Dad is almost always a good time.
You're welcome Dave
I think I picked up the piece of string thing from my Dad too :)
Just going to plop the weeks news in here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oaKzpOTkqKc
Good stuff. Thanks, Data. :thumbsup:
My question was asked (rhetorical) as Tesla's reliability is being brought into question and Jaguar don't sell many cars at least in part because of their bad name in reliability.
Tesla model 3 sales seem to be Dec:1550 (https://cleantechnica.com/2018/01/03/tesla-q4-numbers-highest-sales-ever-1550-model-3-deliveries/) and Jan:1875 (https://robertscribbler.com/2018/02/02/tesla-model-3-leads-record-electrical-vehicle-sales-in-january-2018/).
A little way off of their 20,000 per month target but looking promising.
I wouldn't really like to speculate on the reliability of the I-PACE or Tesla cars, sure there will be some issues with the odd car here and there but will the stats show EV's being less reliable than ICE cars ?
Logic says less moving parts means less to go wrong.
Tesla have forced other premium car makers to take note and open thier eyes to what can be done and that has to be congratulated in my book.
I started this thread to try to get the the truth about EV's, in doing so it seems that we have blown away some of the myths surrounding the technology while educating myself and others.
With every passing week I am seeing more EV's on our roads, it is happening and I'm sure it will continue to happen, more people will start to consider buying EV's as they become aware of the benefits.
People can be stubborn though and many don't like change, the EV revolution might take a generation to fully happen.
Talk to people and most still think EV's are a gimmick or just no good, sometimes people approach me in car parks and say " Oh you have one of them electric cars, but they are no good are they ? " It is then that I go into "educating mode".
Simply I want a car to get me from one place to another reliably, the total distance it can travel between charges is a factor, about 200 miles is reasonable. I don't want or need all the extras. The self driving cars is a waste for me but there is a market for it and is being pursued. They do come up with some interesting questions, do we kill the driver or the pedestrians but it's really not my concern.
Carl2
What about adding external airbags? :D :P ;)
Kidding. The "morality problem" with self driving vehicles is a manufactured one. We don't address that issue when training Human drivers, do we? It should be "kill or maim the fewest beings", and be done with it. If the number is equal, just flip a bloody coin.
Well it is a new problem for us people but there are people responsible for other peoples lives, the airplane piolet, captain of a ship, what to do in this situation and those peoples lives. Nice to be an every day person and not have to think about these things.
Carl2
Quote from: Carl2 on March 10, 2018, 16:46:32 PM
Nice to be an every day person and not have to think about these things.
But shouldn't we, also, think of these things, Carl? After all, when you drive down the road you're controlling well over a ton of steel, rubber and flammable fuels that can rend the life from people in less time than it takes to sneeze if things get out of control, or something goes wrong. Everyday person or not, you're no less responsible for the machine you operate than that airline pilot or ship's captain, are you?
Some Fully Charged News:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zgt4-CMHi1I
What a breath of fresh air, Robert driving the new Leaf on 100% wind power.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SEs9I9sptw
I did some maths a while back if anyone is interested, these are rough figures but in the ballpark - It cost me about £200 in electricity to do 7000 miles in the Leaf, my old ICE car would have cost £1,100 for the same mileage, going on them numbers after 25,000 miles I have saved enough to buy a new L-ION battery. I expect to get around 60,000 to 70,000 miles out of the battery.
Taking all that into account, an ICE car is about 2.5 x more expensive to run than an EV here in the UK, if you have to get a new battery.
Note I haven't taken servicing or road Tax into account here in the figures but if I did then we would be looking at something like 3 x more expensive for ICE.
Like I said these are rough figures but close enough to blow away the old saying " the batteries are no good ". EV owners are Quids in.
So, based on that, the "financial tipping point" for EVs in the UK is already here, and just needs to wait for the "social tipping point" to arrive. This is, indeed, great news. I think that you limeys (Said with love, so don't get upset - I call those folks from Canadia limeys, too, and don't forget, I'm a Yank :P ) will set an awesome example in the days to come. Please tell Her Majesty that I'm very proud, and to please keep it up. :D
Nice :thumbsup: 8)
I'll let Data tell Liz about it as she's a bit mad with me because I stepped on one of her Corgis the other day.
Will be sure to pass that on to Her Majesty, it might not be in my lifetime but I will not forget :LOL:
In an attempt to keep it fair and balanced I feel that I must report a teething problem with the new 2018 Leaf.
It is to do with rapid charging and long distance journeys, the Leaf should rapid charge at 50kW and indeed it does on the first few charges of the day but it would seem that after that the charge rate can drop to 22kW, it's quite a big story over here.
I will let Robert explain the rest.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaLwpUXFlQ0
Sawdat. It's (at the time I watched the video) only 2 users out of many thousands of 2018 Leaf users that have reported problems, and it may not even be the same issue between them. Still, as you've said, teething pains. It's bound to happen, I guess. :)
I just watched the video again and I think Robert has it wrong.
If the 40kWh Leaf charges at 50kW in 40 mins then it should charge at 22kW in 80 to 90 mins and not 4 hours as he said, just saying ;)
I had noticed that, too, but I also noticed that he phrased the statement very specifically, and not in a traditional way. He said "... was destined to...", as if he were reporting a fact, rather than indicating an expectation. Could it be that as the batteries got warmer, they took even less than the 22KWh shown in the image? Who knows? There is much to this that is still generally unknown, so we'll just have to wait and see what shakes out.
If it's anything like charging a phone, then there are peaks and troughs during the charging.
Yeah Dave and Freddy, good points.
Some weird and wonderful plug-in cars in this years Geneva motor show:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfWOTMz5HUI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PaSG4Wxu_HU
Tesla has had someone killed while using autopilot and this is after Tesla has a factory recall because of problems with corrosion on the bolts used for steering. Stocks are at an all time low.
Carl2
Quote from: Carl2 on April 01, 2018, 17:18:04 PM
Tesla has had someone killed while using autopilot...
That sounds a little dark, Carl, and could be misconstrued as intent. A better way to say that would be, "A person died while driving a Tesla while using autopilot..."
Yes be careful there Carl, have to agree with Dave, the way you worded that might get some undesired attention.
It's good that Tesla recalled the cars with the defective bolts, they are still on-top of their game and trying to do the right thing.
I'm just going to plonk this video in here, why ? because I like the music :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VxhoYtiGzjI
My comment could have been worded better, really shouldn't be a problem though.
I think there were audio problems, no mike input explaining what we were seeing. Maybe it should be with the music videos, joke.
Carl2
I haven't watched this yet, but from the source and title, I felt it worthy of sharing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dpwyue9IiBE
Been following this story closely.
I've never done more then 1 rapid charge a day in my 2015 Leaf, don't need the mileage and always do my first charge at home at 7kW anyway.
To put this into perspective, if you do your first charge at home then you should be able to do 450 miles before any of the fast charging throttling kicks in.
I'm actually happy that Nissan added this feature to the car rather than damage the battery.
A little look at where we are with Hydrogen Fuel Vehicles, I found it interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TN1xCBdyttM
Just a couple of quick comments on the last video I posted "Hydrogen Fuel Vehicles".
Cost, it would seem that fueling a Hydrogen car is roughly the same price as fueling an ICE car, no cost savings, no monetary incentive to switch, money talks, it's a big hit to Hydrogen powered cars.
Internal combustion engine = 16 pence per mile.
Hydrogen fuel = 17 pence per mile.
Fully electric - 3 pence per mile.
Battery, Hydrogen cars are also fitted with a lithium ion battery, it would seem that you can't get away without using some kind of battery on any form of electric car even hydrogen powered electric.
while I don't think that H2 EV's will ever become a "major contender" in the EV market, I'm not quite ready to count them out, either. I won't spout that whole "petrol will get more scarce, and Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the universe" crap, because it's just that; crap. While the statements are true, the time scale for petrol scarcity is too long to yet be a factor, and while Hydrogen is, indeed the most abundant thing ever, it's not exactly easy or cheap to collect it at scale right now, so those really aren't factors that will (or should) matter at the moment. One thing that comes to mind when I think of H2 collection/processing is a seemingly unrelated thing; a book by Arthur C. Clark and Gentry Lee, entitled "The Garden of Rama". I won't get into the whole story (it's a fascinating read, and well worth looking into if you've a love of Sci Fi, which, oddly enough is available on YouTube (https://goo.gl/G2Vpr6), of all places, as an audio book), but one section of the story described "artificial trees" that provided O2 to the "passengers" on this truly massive ship, which, although never discussed, I believe also collected Hydrogen to at least help power the vessel. I bring this up because with the massive deforestation of our planet going on as we sit here discussing EV tech and such, and it strikes me that these "artificial trees" could be a massive benefit, since we Humans can't seem to be good stewards of our currently only home.
Ok, I got sidetracked, and began to ramble. you really shouldn't let me to that, as I'll expound for hours on the subject without any real substance being created. Suffice it to say I think that HFC EVs will be a small part of our transportation future for a very long time to come. :)
[edit]BTW, if you decide to listen to the audiobook, there's about 8 minutes or so of dialog that isn't the book itself. the story actually starts around 8:09. [/edit]
Thanks for the link Dave, when I get the time I will be sure to follow it :thumbsup:
I agree with you about H2 EV's, not going to right them off just yet, they might play a part in future of transport but I also think they have already lost the race to battery powered EVs regarding family cars. All the signs are there now, battery EV is coming of age.
Moving on, I wasn't going to post this video because we have been there many times before "Are Electric Cars Good For The Environment?" on balance I think we have proved it now that EVs are considerably better for the environment and we can put that argument to bed. However this video shows how well we did (the UK) in 2017 regarding renewable energy and how reliant we still are on coal, some good info there. The guy has done his research.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vDyIe56uDys
Wow! Only 7%? That's amazing! The figure for the US is more like 30% (in 2016, the most recent figure I can find, so far), but if you factor in the other carbon-based electricity sources (petroleum, natural gas, etc.), that rate more than doubles to 65%! the remaining 35% is split between nuclear (20%) and renewables (wind, solar, etc. - 15%), so we Yanks have a long way to go, but I expect we'll get there some day. It may just take us a long time to do so.
I was pretty blown away by the 7% figure too, shouldn't have been too surprised though, we are dismantling the old coal power stations at a nice rate.
I'm sure you guys over the pond will get there, you have a much larger and probably more complicated infrastructure than we do, of course it will take longer to change but I have faith that you will get there. 15% renewable energy already, it shows that the will is there :thumbsup:
Just going to bung in the latest Fully Charged vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MocHcoBm4bU
A very well put together vid, lots of information about the car. Not sure about how it got into the Suv line up that's so popular but it has to fit in somewhere. The comments about Tesla being able to learn from it is interesting, we'll have to wait and see.
Carl2
Fully Charged News
This one had me laughing in places, Robert is a funny man :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tprw8OAzWQE
I found a documentary that I found both interesting and anger inducing, so I wanted to share it.
http://documentaryheaven.com/who-killed-the-electric-car/
Dave a huge thanks for finding that video and posting it, a must watch for everyone :sign-thanks:
It made me cry in places :'(
The poor little EV1 :( and the short sighted governments and greedy oil and car companies :sign-sad:
I know we will win the fight, this time, I'm sure of it, they will not pull the wool over our eyes any more :no-no:
The future is renewable energy and battery powered cars.
Got to agree it's a great video, so much I never heard about before. Good find Dave.
Carl2
I think I have a new dream car:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ho-miCbIr84
Again a good find Dave, at a million and a half saving pennies won't do it.
Carl2
Amazing car 8)
Really nice to see the top end EVs have already surpassed the equivalent ICE cars, in so many ways and in such a short space of time too. You can even include range now, drive a hyper ICE car hard and you don't get far before you have to stop to refuel.
1st Time In an Electric Vehicle - Are they any good?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mVLYhGdSwM
Another electric SUV, this time from Mercedes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y7ZjkoJgXWk
There has been some good news in the city where I live regarding chargers, this is mostly aimed at people that can't charge at home or have no off-road parking.
QuoteNew electric vehicle charging points are coming to the streets of Brighton & Hove following a successful bid for government funding.
A grant of £300,000 has been awarded to Brighton & Hove City Council by the Office of Low Emission Vehicles, to install charging points across the city and encourage more drivers to make the switch to pollution-busting electric-powered cars.
Full article:
https://www.brighton-hove.gov.uk/content/press-release/funding-boost-electric-vehicles
Sounds like good news, and a step in the right direction. Chuffed for you and your EV driving neighbors, Data. :thumbsup:
There was a Royal wedding yesterday, I wish the happy couple all the best :)
The best bit for me was the electric E-Type Jaguar they drove to the reception in. :drooling:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teRU8bBQq0Y
:thumbsup:
Gratz to the happy couple, and good choice of "getaway car". :)
I like Harry :thumbsup:
Harry's ok, but his wife is cuter. :P :D
:LOL: Can't argue there.
Just going to plop the latest Fully Charged in here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1s-I4vm9Q78
Fully Charged News:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eW5Pw9s-8q8
Still watching the EV news and Electric Cars to try to keep up with new developments, the US seems to be so far behind I wonder why I do it.
Carl2
One of the best things about the internet is that we no longer have to rely on what our TV's, politicians and companies with an agenda tell us, we can see what other countries/people are actually doing and read up on the science, it feels like we have all been fed BS for many years and now we have the chance to finally get some facts and act on them.
I hope we can all get a bit wiser, filter the facts from the BS and do what's right for the future of mankind.
I've been noticing the internet is filled with advertising, it's like how may advertisement can you put on this page. It's always interesting to see how many sites you've been to that now have ad's to put in front of you. The same science that brings us improved products is also used to promote ads to help sell us a useless product.
Carl2
The new Leaf is really taking off over here then :)
I went to my local Nissan dealer last week for a rapid charge and was a little surprised to see they didn't have any new Leaf in the showroom, I asked the dealer why and they said they can't get them quick enough, as soon as they arrive from Nissan they get sold.
QuoteA new Nissan Leaf sold every 10 minutes as total Leaf sales reach 100,000 across Europe
QuoteEuropean Nissan LEAF customers have now driven over 2 billion kilometres and saved over 300,000 tonnes of CO2. They also boast a 92% customer satisfaction rate – more than any other Nissan model.
Leaf sold every 10 minutes (https://www.automotiveworld.com/news-releases/new-nissan-leaf-sold-every-10-minutes-total-leaf-sales-reach-100000-across-europe/)
This is worth watching, putting the I-Pace through it's paces.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jj_w1PfSqk
Just watched that this morning. I thought it was pretty amazing how the car handled the steep, soft dirt incline. :thumbsup:
This isn't an official Fully Charged video but well worth watching if you have a 45 mins.
Electric Car Round-up: What to Buy and Why - Fully Charged Show Live 2018
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SyyfK9b8v-E&t=453s
Latest Fully Charged News
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HYr7aGf0-wA
Did you know that the first car to go over 100km/h was fully electric ?
And in 1899 too...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/La_Jamais_Contente
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Freddy, that is a really nice find and thanks for posting it :)
So BP have purchased Chargemaster (one of the biggest electric car charging companies in the UK).
Call me a cynic but I don't exactly trust the oil companies, I want to believe that BP will do their best to promote the use of electric cars but will they :scratch-head:
BP are basically going in to direct competition with themselves, I ask myself a question, have BP seen the light and realised that EV's are the future or are they going to kill off Chargemaster by slowly increasing prices of electricity until it's no longer cost effective to run an EV.
For now I will just keep an eye on them and do the vast majority of my charging at home for 15p per kWh.
Robot from Fully Charged seems to think it's all good.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qwe6TViZO_w
Nice to see BP got into the e car charging, I usually buy their gas.
Carl2
While I share your mistrust, Data, I think that in the end this will actually be a net benefit for the EV market, as this will give the petrol companies something to transition to from oil, which will also serve to eventually wrest pricing control away from the middle east. With "Big Oil" getting involved on the supply side of things, ICE vehicles will go the way of the dinosaur a bit more quickly, I think. Or perhaps I'm reading this wrong? :scratch-head:
Yes it is possible that you are right Dave, I really hope so, maybe it will push the oil companies to invest in more renewable energy, I guess if they use the profits from their oil to do it then it's not all bad, they will have to do something as the years go by or they too will end up like the dinosaurs.
From what I've read Shell oil is already making stations for e cars,
"Electric car charging points could appear alongside petrol pumps at Shell's UK service stations as soon as next year, the oil giant confirmed after emails between the company and government officials revealed discussions on introducing them. date 2016"
Carl2
Interesting. Years back people used to say that the big oil companies were suppressing anything that didn't use oil or petrol. Was that all just conspiracy theories or not do we think ? Or was it that it just took time to engineer something usable ?
Quote from: Carl2 on July 01, 2018, 11:27:42 AM
From what I've read Shell oil is already making stations for e cars,
"Electric car charging points could appear alongside petrol pumps at Shell's UK service stations as soon as next year, the oil giant confirmed after emails between the company and government officials revealed discussions on introducing them. date 2016"
Carl2
Yes but it's the cost of the electricity Carl, ok the convenience of charging at a petrol station might be worth a bit but at the moment it's about 3 times the price to charge at Shell compared to charging at home. This is what I have been trying to point out, the oil companies could start to increase the price even more making it no cheaper to run an EV, then people will just keep buying ICE.
Freddy, you didn't watch the video we posted then ?
Who Killed The Electric Car?
http://evtopia.org/watch-killed-electric-car-full-video-online/
I'm not going to say for sure that it was the oil companies, we need to make up our own minds on this.
I've seen something similar, a bit long I put it in favorites and will watch it latter.
Carl2
I didn't watch that video no Data, I will take a look :thumbsup:
I was watching a video about AI and began thinking about the e cars and some of the crashes they have been in using the autonomous mode. Upsetting to think we have given an e car the ability to kill.
Carl2
Fully self driving cars are still in their infancy and illegal to use on the roads unless they have special permission, I'm not too worried about it giving EV's a bad name. I personally think all the autonomous modes of driving still have a way to go until they become acceptable to the public in general.
Moving on, this story has been going around the web for a couple of days now:
QuoteNissan Leaf prototype with new 60 kWh battery pack leaked fast-charging at 102 kW
https://electrek.co/2018/07/06/nissan-leaf-prototype-new-battery-pack-leaked-fast-charging/
Some live Fully Charged vids to watch, when the time is right :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCa3BD0Haew
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eoz_4BTxI5Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJrJnOq-gyY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSUlaDbckmo
Some research has been done here about who does and who doesn't want electric cars, it's not really very surprising but it seems the younger generation are the ones that want EV's.
Quote
Half of young people in the UK would like to own an electric car – compared with just a quarter of their parents, a survey suggests.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-44798135
A nice little Fully Charged vid.
Why Megatrends Trump Politics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ards0pQKb3k
Just going to drop the latest Fully Charged news vid in here, apparently the UK broke its solar record this summer (for a little while) with a huge 28% of power coming from solar alone. 8)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=35WkIQkdZ-4
I can't let this go buy without mentioning it :D
Pikes Peak record smashed by 16 seconds with only a 500 HP EV.
Dave, hope you pop in to see this :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAJaGAMWjHM
They have these electric motors setting all kinds of records, I never thought of having an electric motor try to compete with a gas engine but I do remember working a place where powered metal was compress enough to cause the powder to become a hard metal and be used as gears. I guess the whole thing relies on the batteries the motor gets the energy from.
Carl2
Quote from: Carl2 on August 06, 2018, 13:02:50 PM
I guess the whole thing relies on the batteries the motor gets the energy from.
Carl2
Yes absolutely and lets not forget that batteries are very efficient these days, talking of efficiency here is a video that compares battery powered EV's to Hydrogen powered, worth watching :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7MzFfuNOtY
Good video Data, I have a feeling for what they are doing with hydrogen now, I remember the days of separating hydrogen and oxygen from water.
Carl2
Interesting. Puts some actual figures on the efficiencies of both technologies.
Short term batteries all the way. But hydrogen will play a part at some point, I feel. More likely mass transport, trucks and boats. And possibly aircraft.
Storing excess solar as methane or hydrogen will play its part too. These techs are expensive atm but will scale much better than batteries.
Can we implement all this lovely tech before another 1 deg C rise in global temp?
I found that informative too thanks :thumbsup:
Thanks for the comments chaps :thumbsup:
Quote from: Snowcrash on August 09, 2018, 16:15:51 PM
Short term batteries all the way.
Indeed, having lived with a Leaf for over a year and doing more than 9000 miles in it I can confirm that battery powered cars are completely workable today, we have a pretty big charging infrastructure now, it's big enough for the amount of EV's on the road and is growing every week.
I have never run-out of charge yet either :)
Found these and thought they'd fit on here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kGFiaWvD-KI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TdUqQZC2dcE
Snowy, nice vids :)
Batteries have come quite some way in a little time, already reaching 100,000 miles plus and they are only going to get better.
The latest Fully Charged news:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WGjKPNJ4-Ko
I need to post this:
An Apology & Corrections, from that last video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dy_QQcXeHvs
QuoteSales of electric vehicles reached a record high last month, accounting for one in every 12 new cars purchased in the UK.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-45419705
Green number plates could be arriving for clean cars in the UK.
Quote
Green plates would be more noticeable to road users, and this increased attraction can help normalise the idea of clean vehicles, highlighting the changing social norms around vehicle ownership.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/green-number-plates-for-clean-vehicles
I was looking for cars again the other night. One thing I wondered is if you have to park in the street, then how would I charge an electric car ? :scratch-head:
Not that I am going to buy one just yet.
One of the infrastructure problems to overcome.
If you have off road parking or are visiting town where there are parking bay charge points then there is no problem. You can get a grant to fit your own charger.
If you randomly park near-ish your own home each day then an extension lead is the only way but this has obvious issues not least being a trip hazard.
The solution (in my opinion) is street lamp charging. It can be done now with a smart meter that charges you, ££, to charge you car. There is no roll out solution ATM and EV uptake is still relatively low but this is all set to change. Probably have to dig up the roads, again, to fit bigger power cables to the street lamps.
QuoteIf you randomly park near-ish your own home each day then an extension lead is the only way but this has obvious issues not least being a trip hazard.
This is me. I can't really run a cable across the road :o :LOL:
So no electric car for me at the moment.
LOL Snowy, you make it sound almost impossible, here you go Freddy, chargers near you :thumbsup:
You would simply find a few chargers you like and use them, really simple :)
https://www.zap-map.com/locations/dereham-charging-points/
Yeah but no but yeah but no but...
Doesn't it take a while to charge ? Can I really safely leave it there overnight ?
All of those are some distance from me too. Like Norwich is a half hour trip.
Hehe mate, you would charge it for an hour or so, go for a walk or do some shopping, that's what I do, the longest I have ever charged is about 2 hours, they charge pretty quick these days.
Like I said you would find a charger near you, there probably is one near by, if you look.
Nope, according to their map there are none in Dereham. The closest one is 20 minutes away.
It's not like Brighton here mate, you can't wander off and do some shopping - you're lucky if you find a cow to talk to for 2 hours :LOL:
Fields and more fields !
The closest one seems to be a hotel up the A47 and I'm not sure they would want me rolling up every day or two. I assumed it would be for customers. And since there's only one everyone is going to be fighting over it :LOL:
I think I will wait a while until they catch up with Brighton.
Sounds like you would be lucky to find a petrol station :LOL:
Haha :LOL:
Well this is their map. Dereham is the red dot. The blue charger is the one I am talking about. Roughly 20 minutes away and nothing to do there.
But anyway, I can wait. I'm sure the local supermarkets will install them at some point - in fact I think the Tesco's has one, but it's not shown on this map.
As with a lot of places we don't really have many places to shop now. At least not the kind of places you can browse like we used to.
Can the chargers do more than one car at a time ?
Sorry...map...
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There is a BP petrol station near you, BP are fitting chargers now, shouldn't have to wait that long.
Most chargers can charge 2 cars at the same time and many charging locations have more than one charger. Even in Brighton where there are plenty of electric cars I've never had trouble finding a free charger.
I should think its all tractors and horses out your way, you would be one of the first to go electric ;)
Yes a new petrol station was built not so long ago - they may well have them.
I've yet to see an electric car around here, but people are talking about them. So it's just a matter of time.
QuoteI should think its all tractors and horses out your way, you would be one of the first to go electric
Most people get around on Penny Farthings around my way, 'tis a common sight.
Quote from: Freddy on September 14, 2018, 20:42:49 PM
Most people get around on Penny Farthings around my way, 'tis a common sight.
:rofl:
Lots of farmland there, when I was young my parents moved to the country where I lived till I finished school. A small lake in back of the house for swimming and skating was nice. School much smaller also nice.
Carl2
Talking about BP petrol stations having chargers installed, I just heard on EV News Daily that BP have started rolling out these new mobile chargers, they are rapid chargers (would charge my Leaf from 20 to 80% in about 15 mins) They are free to use for now, so keep an eye open for them.
Image and more details here:
https://www.zap-map.com/bp-trials-freewire-ev-charging-system/
Tesla Model 3 | Fully Charged
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AJw9cIlatw
Nice video, nice to see there are some people with enough money to go out and buy the Tesla's. Trucks and SUV's seem to be the most popular cars around here, we don't even see ads for ev's.
Carl2
Today's localish news.
http://www.eveningnews24.co.uk/news/politics/battery-storage-outskirts-of-norwich-fast-charging-points-electric-vehicles-1-5700114
That is great news, we are starting to see the country getting serious about energy storage, it's going to be vital as we move into the 21st century and clean energy.
I like the way these projects seem to nearly always go hand in hand with EV charging too, as more people start to open their eyes and switch to electric cars we are going to need more charging points.
All good :) no, better than that, all brilliant plans ;D
Now we just have to hope that South Norfolk Council do the right thing and give it the big :thumbsup:
It's good that they would use existing land too and not some nice nature reserve :)
Quote from: Freddy on September 19, 2018, 19:27:44 PM
It's good that they would use existing land too and not some nice nature reserve :)
Well yeah I can't argue with that but it's only a battery, solar farms need far more space.
These batteries are vital but we must also generate clean energy to store in them.
Yesh, I didn't think that through really. :LOL:
Still, it might save a few hedgehogs ;D
I don't like SUV's, far too big and bulky for our roads here in the UK, however if people are going to buy them then they might aswell get electric versions right ?
Here are the SUV's coming to a showroom near you soon :)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N8Qy7MnzK0
SUV's and the big trucks are popular around here, maybe because people are tired of having there driveways blocked by the plows pushing snow across their driveways, they can just drive through it instead of having to shovel it out again. These are the gas vehicles.
Carl2
QuoteThis weekend, German luxury car-maker Porsche announced it is ditching diesel to focus its efforts on electrification
5 reasons Porsche ditching diesel spells the end for dirty cars (https://www.greenpeace.org.uk/5-reasons-porsche-ditching-diesel-spells-end-dirty-cars/)
It seems Elon Musk is in trouble for tweets about going private, regulators have accused him with securities fraud. He was asked to pay a fine which he refused.
"The US financial regulator says Mr Musk's claims that he had secured funding to take the electric carmaker private were "false and misleading".
It is seeking to bar Mr Musk from acting as an officer or director of a publicly traded company.
Mr Musk called the action "unjustified" saying he acted in the "best interests of truth, transparency and investors" "
Carl2
Car chargers just got faster - Alfa Power opens UK's first 60-kW rapid charge point :thumbsup:
https://www.electrans.co.uk/alfa-power-opens-uks-first-60-kw-rapid-charge-point/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOhjJaEOyXc
Ok, THAT was painful. I didn't make it more than a few seconds before I had to stop the video. sorry.
I watched it all, though I am a masochist.
I couldn't stop laughing all the way through, must be an EV owners thing. :P
It' s a take off an older Queen Song that I like. I thought he did a good job making it fit his purpose.
Carl2
Snowy LOL :LOL:
Carl thanks :)
This is pretty big news:
U.S. Reaches 1 Million Electric Vehicle Sales (http://energyfuse.org/u-s-reaches-1-million-electric-vehicle-sales/)
The latest Fully Charged news:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QUBS-By-Tzk
Tesla reaches milestone of 100,000 Model 3 vehicles (https://electrek.co/2018/10/13/tesla-model-3-100000-milestone/)
I like this better than EV News, glad that Tesla has so many cars under it's belt. I just saw some ads for a hybrid car on tv which is a move in the right direction.
Carl2
Hyundai Kona is out there now, this one is in Norfolk.
Freddy, one less penny farthing on the road now :LOL:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe2PGCCODu0
I kind of like that car although I don't care for the Hyundai name.
Carl2
Yes nice car 8)
Quote from: Data on October 26, 2018, 10:29:00 AM
Hyundai Kona is out there now, this one is in Norfolk.
Freddy, one less penny farthing on the road now :LOL:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qe2PGCCODu0
Looks like it might have been the A11. I will have to alert the local branch of the Penny Farthing Owners club!!
Reposting this after the site problems:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7zM0BDM2Vc&t=367s
I hadn't seen this before, really good video.
Carl2
Some good news for the UK, 2,400 EV charging bays across 600 Tesco stores are coming :)
Full Story (https://pod-point.com/electric-car-news/tesco-volkswagen-pod-point-partnership?utm_source=Master+List+%28B2C+UK%29&utm_campaign=1feb3ef569-Tesco-VW-Comms-Launch&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_ac11b0b54c-1feb3ef569-249268465)
The car park at ours is usually half empty so they should have plenty of space. It's a truly massive car park, it's not that the store is unused.
The question here is, where should the chargers be placed within the lot? I don't think that they should get "special placement", like handicapped spots do, but I also don't think that they should be shunted off to one side, creating an inconvenient walking distance for EV users. What do you lads think?
I suppose it depends on the location, but yes they should not take precedence over the handicap spots etc. Since (for now) it seems that the service would be free, then I don't think it's too much to ask for people to walk a bit further. We're so lazy these days :o
For some of us, it's not "lazy", but I get your point. My "idea" is to have the chargers able to service up to 4 parking slots, but only one at a time, thus giving EV users the ability to park close, but unable to "hog" all of the best locations. this, of course, could lead to non-EV users taking up all of the available charging slots, but if there are sufficient chargers, the only real inconvenience would be that longer walk. :)
Yes I was hoping you would see my intent, thanks :)
There's nothing to stop them making some of the spots handicap only - so people who can't get around so easily can still charge their cars but nearer to the store. It makes sense to me :)
Normally they just pick a few standard parking spaces, put up signs and markings on the bays, I'm not too bothered where in the carpark they are as long as they don't get ICE'd.
Talking of getting ICE'd I, came across this the other day :Head-Slap: :LOL:
(https://i.redd.it/nah3wewmxfk11.jpg)
:rofl: :sign-sad:
:LOL: Funny but bad!
I'm rather slow I guess, I had to go back and look at it again and this time I saw a green truck.
Carl2
Found this today. I rather enjoyed it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AR5sDwF5aBM
Looks impressive the KIA e-Niro, especially for the money.
Thanks for posting Dave :thumbsup:
Lets have a look at the Hyundai Kona.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LATZ0g-Sz2s
Some good news for Europe (though not quite the UK, yet):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3aNj8LpN8HA
I'm chuffed the model 3 is finally arriving to Europe, it's going to help get more of them dirty diesels and polluting petrol cars off the road :sign-great-job:
The car does fall into a certain type of niche though that if we are honest isn't going to suit that many people, yeah it's fast but it's expensive and still quite a large car for our roads, most people just want a smaller car that they can get to work or go shopping in, will be nice to see them eventually on our roads but it's not going to make that much of a dent to our pollution problem.
My thinking here is that the Tesla name, being hot on everyone's minds, will help show what's possible, and help raise not only awareness, but also interest, in the move to a more sustainable future. that the car is both expensive and too big for the average person in the UK is minor, right now. When both the average target consumer AND the businesses that target them see how well the Tesla does in Europe (and I expect it will do REALLY well), more capital and R&D will be sunk into EV brands that CAN make a real difference, and that's a really good thing.
Yes valid points Dave, awareness of EV technology is where we are at right now, I'm sure many people still think EV's have a "long" way to go but Tesla are helping to show the public just how far it has come already.
Thought this was interesting and surprising.
This is just the thing that needs to trickle down to the man in the street.
BMW Porsche fast charger delivers 100km range in 3 mins (https://hexus.net/ce/news/automotive/125399-bmw-porsche-fast-charger-delivers-100km-range-3-mins/)
And Dyson is having a go...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uQM5p448fXs
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Stumbled across this vid, thought I would post it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jz37WycW-7E
Good video since the lithium had such a bad reputation when they first came out. Lithium batteries for the vaporizers are still working without any problems.
Carl2
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Slightly off topic but I didn't know where to post this. Feel free to move it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53n2pw5M9m4
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Ok, i want one now. :D
Nice boat :)
It sounded like the guy was saying it was powered by a 30kW leaf drive train, here's a thought, no regen on a boat.
Going to go back just a little and post some videos of the basics.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1MuHQBxUoic
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Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fWq6IBuQmA
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I watched this video the other day and thought the maker had some pretty good ideas, the solar panels was one of the best.
Carl2
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Thought I would post this as a bit of a test, it was filmed using a 360 camera, the video does also give some info about the car too.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GbyZq8DhjVk
Good video, I like this better than EV news since it goes with the kind of car I'd like rather than the ones talked about on EV news.
Carl2
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OK Honda you have got me, the Honda E is starting to look like a great little car, small, simple in design but futuristic at the same time. I love it :)
The Honda is pretty popular among the younger kids, they often buy them and set them up as a street racer. There seems to be a large number of parts they can buy to customize them for looks and add power. The video never mentioned a range though.
Carl2
Quote from: Carl2 on February 28, 2019, 12:37:52 PM
The video never mentioned a range though.
Carl2
You must have blinked Carl, it's 125 mile range, city car.
I did miss that while watching, sounds like a reasonable range, thanks for letting me know.
Carl2
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Not much in the way of news
Carl2
QuoteJames Bond to drive electric car in new film to make the character more eco-friendly
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbiz/8621426/james-bond-aston-martin-rapide-e/
I've seen a movie where the lead actor and actress were driving in a e car, may have had a body in the trunk, went on a long ride and had to find a place to charge it.
Carl2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DE_PZQ13YTY
The quest for better batteries continues just like the quest for more fuel efficient internal combustion engines has been going on for 100 years or so. :good-bad:
I know which I would rather have powering my car :P
The beginning of charging hubs in the UK, we can expect to see more of these places popping up all over the country.
QuoteThe country's largest universal rapid charging hub for electric vehicles has been inaugurated by Milton Keynes Council and BP Chargemaster. The hub is operating on Polar, the largest public charging network in the UK, and is located within a minute's drive of the M1, just off junction 14 at Milton Keynes Coachway.
QuoteThe site, with eight 50kW rapid chargers supporting all standards of EV rapid charging, has already been used to charge more than 500 electric vehicles since it went live,
Full Story (https://www.fleetpoint.org/electric-vehicles-2/uks-largest-public-rapid-charging-hub-inaugurated-in-milton-keynes/)
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Peugeot e208, good to see more manufacturers starting to take electric cars seriously, more cars, more choice, less excuses to buy ICE cars :)
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Wow, that is a serious bit of kit, beautiful too 8)
OK I'll have one :D
Wouldn't say no myself. 8)
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From £126k for a hybrid. That's 1/3 of a house territory.
Hmmm
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Here is some interesting news:
The UK now has more EV charging points than petrol stations :D
QuoteNewly released figures from Zap-Map, a UK EV-charging point platform, has revealed that the number of public charging locations in the country has now surpassed the number of petrol stations.
Full Story (https://www.smart-energy.com/industry-sectors/electric-vehicles/uk-now-has-more-ev-charging-points-than-petrol-stations/)
The US is pretty far behind Tesla seems to be the leader here with free charging at stations at different points. Myself I did an at home charge and an overnight charge and still have 60 mile the car says. I'll probably just stick with the overnight charge every other week. Nissan is doing it's part with free charging and although they are close enough I'll probably stick to the overnight.
Carl2
I've been noticing more and more ads for EV's here, mostly from either Audi or VW (though the VW ads are for EV's in general, and the ad features a Chevy), but a few from Hyundai, for the Kona electric, and from Toyota, for one of their hybrids. We should start seeing a good uptick in EV sales soon, and more companies jumping on the EV bandwagon as a result. :thumbsup:
Here are the two most often seen ads, courtesy of YouTube:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KRgcJusf280
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5lloWmgHj6Y
I like the style and approach these add makes are taking for the electric car adverts.
( making the ICE owners look a bit... how do I put it nicely ? [spoiler]mentally challenged[/spoiler] )
Thanks for posting them Dave and good to hear from you :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
I found it pretty difficult buying an electric car, My EV at Electric cars didn't have anything and I used
Cargurus which didn't actually show who sold the cars and had cars from all over the states here. At a dealer that had a car I was interested in didn't return my call twice. The dealer I bought from had a Leaf with the all the features but less range than I wanted. If a person can afford a new one they are probably a lot better off getting larger battery packs and the latest updates.
Carl2
I think the best way to get an EV is to do some research first, see what car best suits your needs then go to a main dealer of the car and buy it that way (new or used), the main dealers have far more knowledge and knowhow about the technology.
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That BMW has a sick amount of power, good though I guess.
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I like the little Honda e, for me it would be a serious contender for my next car, maybe in a few years once there are some used e's available.
It's small enough to fit in my garage, would be very usable (easy to park) and nippy round town.
Yeah looking good :thumbsup:
I remember parking the leaf between two standard sized SUV's and was surprised how small the Leaf was compared to the SUV's so it is a nice sized car for me. I also like the Nissan name and think they have a lot of experience making the electric car. Really not sure about mot having a brake, it would take a while to get used to that. Nice small size but maybe a bit to small it would take getting used to. Range seems about right. I'd like to see a lot of reviews on the Honda before buying.
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That was a great episode of Fully Charged :thumbsup:
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Have to post this, the Lotus Evija :drooling:
At the end of the video we also see an old dinosaur in a T shirt :LOL:
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Another top Fully Charged video :thumbsup:
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HaHa, another record broken by an electric car 8)
Found this. I'm still sceptical about the shared bit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GATuMWAFBUA
Thanks for posting the vid Snowy
It seems we have another Youtuber converted, hey! better late than nether.
I agree with you about the sharing of cars, I'm sceptical too, mainly because most people like their cars, they become part of them and their lives, they like to care for them, look after them and even treasure them.
If car sharing is to come to reality it will only be with some people unless our governments force it upon us.
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So the new Zoe has a 52kWh battery, impressive for such a small car. It could be a viable car for many more people, nicer interior than other Zoe models too.
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Another good vid from Fully Charged :thumbsup:
Not much has changed for my point of view.
I'm not in the market for another car but will be soon : 1-2 years. This is the biggest reason for not buying electric (any car at all).
The second biggest is choice. The only practical and affordable car is the Leaf (10k). I don't want to drive around in a car named Zoe (9k & French) and I don't really like the BMW i3 (15k). 3 year old prices
Third is desirability. As above and you can't get a model 3 Tesla, yet. The S and X are ok but a little large for my taste. The fully electric Golf GTE is just out at £31k, same price as a GTi (33k) and the R at 36k. I could get a 3 year old R for a lot less than that. New prices marked. 2016 R about 20k
My budget is more like 5k + loan. Hmm.
Yeah but Snowy, look how far we have come in such a short space of time, when I started this thread most people thought I was mad to even consider an EV, now people are starting to want them and seriously consider them for their next car, I call that a win win 8)
Fair point. The electric revolution has started.
Here are the latest UK figures (https://www.smmt.co.uk/vehicle-data/car-registrations/) of new cars.
Total % sales in brackets for year to date
Diesel down 20% on year and month. (27%)
Petrol static with main share (66.2%)
BEV up 70%/158% on year/month, where the market is looking strong (1%)
PHEV down 32%/50% people are really going off of these (1.2%)
HEV up 19%/34%, still the market leader at (4%)
MHEV are the new kids on the block. Not seen these before. Combined fuel (0.6%)
Some good figurers from that link, things are changing :)
Still pretty early days for the used BEV market, I would think that in a couple of years prices will come down and we should start to see more choice in used cars.
We are seeing quite a lot of new SUV BEV's coming to the market, it's not a vehicle for me but plenty of people would go for them. We have seen a few of them already in this thread but we haven't seen the MG ZS EV yet, so here it is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T4xOMHblj8A
Nice to get to see the car they are talking about which differs from the EV News Daily, sounds like a pretty good car with a nice price but being new it is out of my price range.
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Here are a pair of videos all about the motors in EV's, I found them interesting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMr_F2z9_Ow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XHiZTFDhQY
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So the electric Mini is going to be cheaper than ICE Mini 8) it's a very popular car over here, we should start to see plenty of them on our roads over time.
Not sure about manufacturers discounting EV but they all seem to be much more competitive and at price parity.
Just scale discounts to get the true parity price, or even lower?
So it is related to the Cooper which I've seen around, I've heard the Cooper is a pretty good car although I've never cared much about them because of their looks I think. Pricing and mileage both seem good.
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Just going to pop this little story into here.
The new MG ZS EV
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"Since the official launch of the ZS EV in July, MG dealerships across the country have reported unprecedented demand from customers eager to get behind the wheel,"
Full story:
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/mg-zs-ev-gets-extended-discount-offer-following-record-sales
It seems like they are coming out with a lot of EV's with plenty of range and some pretty nice looking cars. I got into the EV's earlier than I had wanted to because of problems with the Malibu and would have liked to put it off for a few years and get a higher range EV. But actually after having the Leaf for months I find the trickle charge overnight to be simple enough and charging every 2 weeks is no bother.
Carl2
Range was never an issue for me, I used to put £20 of fuel in to my ICE car, that would give me just over 100 miles around town, the Leaf does roughly the same miles per charge but for far less money ( free if you know where to go ).
It's the cost of running an EV that must not be overlocked, a saving of £2000 a year is easily reachable. People should take that into account when buying an EV.
Right now is the golden age, once there are many more EV's on the road the saving will diminish, less free chargers and more tax on electricity will surely come.
With the Malibu I got about 18 in the warmer months but it dropped to 12 or so in the winter, small tank so I got 180 to 120 miles per fill up. I did the repairs myself and saved money there.
Carl2
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Great to see a reasonably priced electric car with such big capacity battery, in just 7 years they have more than doubled the capacity but kept the battery size the same, impressive and there is still more to come :)
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This on the news today:
Green number plates planned for electric cars.
QuoteDrivers of electric cars across the UK may soon be using special green number plates under new plans.
This should help educate ICE car owners, it's also going to help identify electric cars on the roads meaning EV's might be able to use bus lanes, get more free parking and enter low emissions areas in our towns, all good :)
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-50122268
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Very much enjoyed the latest Fully Charged News :thumbsup:
Here is a video all about battery life, not just Tesla batteries, It points out (using data) how to look after your battery, it's basicly what we know already but it's good to look at it again to remind us all.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXwtlKHSefk
James May has a new car, what could it be ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzDzv4NVlfE
Nice looking car, wish I was loaded :P
It would be nice in any colour really 8)
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Is that last video a peak of the future I wonder, it seems doable to me. :thumbsup:
Over here in the US it seems so far away, we are so far behind on the move to electric cars. People want their big trucks and SUV's and the makers keep using the production lines to build them. Who would want to wait 30 minutes for a charge...
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Cybertruck from Elon...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EGuc7Z1RfsQ
I don't like the look of it, it's like the kind of design I would draw when I was about 6 and would post off to the Beano :LOL:
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I thought the truck was a joke at first too. It looks like something out of an old Sci-Fi movie.
This, now this, is how it could have looked ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVLBLJOCBg8
Quote from: Freddy on November 26, 2019, 22:37:55 PM
now this, is how it could have looked ;)
Yeah they missed a trick there ;D
That was another informative episode of Fully Charged:
New 20 mega watt wind turbines coming :)
More cobalt is used in the oil industry than in batteries :no-no:
CO2 levels are rising once again :( and it looks like it's down to people buying SUV's ( the ICE versions ) :very-angry:
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Nice to see something going on in America besides Tesla dealing with renewable energy.
Carl2
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How far do these new electric cars go in winter conditions and at mostly motorway speeds ?
This vid finds out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZH7V2tU3iFc
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That was another excellent video from Fully Charged :thumbsup:
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I see the Honda e is here, very cute little car with lots of modern quirks.
120 mile range town car.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x6G-3_Aasao
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Enjoyed that Fully Charged vid, some comedy at the beginning and some great news about electric trucks :thumbsup:
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Enjoyed that little vid, finally Ford are bringing a proper electric car to the market :thumbsup: :)
Well the Mustang was an extremely popular car here in the US so I'm not surprised they choose it for the elec car to manufacture. But here in the US I'm also surprised at how few elec cars are carried at the dealers, I look at the cars on the lot and often fine no elec cars.
Carl2
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Robert makes a good point in that video, people always think they need a much longer range then they really do. Most peoples trips are just a handful of miles, for the rest there are public chargers. Bigger battery is heavy, heavy is less efficient.
Tesla Model Y vs Mustang Mach E I decided to do my own research on the Mustang March E and went to you tube and found a video where they compared the Mustang to the Tesla.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyQV39Dyhho
Carl2
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The new VW E-UP!, looks like a very capable city EV, gets a thumbs up from me :thumbsup:
I did also enjoy Roberts profanity about the ICE car parked in the charging bay, he was right, those people are t*****s :no-no:
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Nice to see they are using the Leaf, Funny but I do remember seeing Electric vehicles being used by the city of Worcester a few years ago but haven't seen any lately. I kind of wonder if the project failed.
Carl2
Although I have a Hybrid (Prius), it is 9 + years old.
It (they) actually has TWO batteries. A very large bank of connected batteries behind the rear seat under the floor panel and a smaller one in the trunk (passenger side) that serves to start the car.
After 9+ years it died! Not knowing where to look or what was involved in changing it, good old YouTube to the rescue! Some reports of garages charging upwards of $100 to replace that battery + the cost of the battery itself!
I gathered myself and went to a really good place near me called Battery Warehouse! (believe me, they have batteries for watches, car fobs, alarm systems and diesel trucks!
Sure enough, they had a battery for my car in stock. The unfortunate thing was that it cost me $195.00 USD (with Military discount and taxes).
I got a few wrenches and within 15 minutes I had it done...completed. Exhaust gas hose, hold-down clamps and everything. Started right up, went for a nice test drive and to make sure it was charging and the rest, as they say, is history. Saved myself some coins from paying some stranger to "install" the battery.
It is more in knowing where to locate it and how to remove it (clip and bolt locations) and a dose of good old common sense.
My Prius made me a good deal of money over the years considering that I got paid mileage for driving my personal car from job site to job site. Some days I made really nice bucks.
The car got/gets between 45 to 68 mpg depending on my driving control and conditions. It has a 1.8 liter engine that comes on after the initial electric motor cuts out after driving maybe a hundred feet or so. It's a great car!
It is hard to believe that I actually got 9+ years of service from a car battery! That is pretty astounding to me! :scratch-head:
Cheers!
Quote from: Carl2 on March 17, 2020, 12:39:55 PM
Nice to see they are using the Leaf
Yes I agree Carl :)
The amount of money they are saving too, it just makes sense to switch to electric.
@Art
Thanks for sharing your experience with the Hybrid, if I'm honest I am torn over Hybrid technology, they do still burn fossil fuels which isn't good but they can also extend the MPG which has to be a good thing.
I personally look at Hybrid as a stepping stone technology now, rather than a long term alternative. It's better than pure ICE :thumbsup:
Maybe you will join me and Carl and go full EV for your next car, it's fantastic never having to go to a fuel station while saving plenty of our hard earned cash.
I sincerely do appreciate your brave posting of a Hybrid in the electric car thread :)
If you could be so kind as to move my post to the Hybrid car section it would be much appreciated.
:D :thumbsup:
Quote from: Art on March 18, 2020, 12:41:29 PM
If you could be so kind as to move my post to the Hybrid car section it would be much appreciated.
:D :thumbsup:
:LOL: :)
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Great video :thumbsup:
Well it seems Detroit (a big car manufacturing Plant in the US) is shutting down because of the virus and this will probably affect Tesla also. Tesla stock went high and is now going rapidly down as most stocks here are doing.
Carl2
Speaking of Hybrid cars, check out this amazing car with only 3 cylinders but before you snicker, watch the video:
https://www.chonday.com/39803/a-car-with-a-3-cylinder-engine-that-delivers-600bhp/ (https://www.chonday.com/39803/a-car-with-a-3-cylinder-engine-that-delivers-600bhp/)
Quote from: Art on March 19, 2020, 12:57:29 PM
Speaking of Hybrid cars, check out this amazing car with only 3 cylinders but before you snicker, watch the video:
It's not bad but it only has 1700 HP and it runs on dead things.
Lotus will soon have a 2000 HP car that's fully electric.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ko8hoJ5-eTA
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That was great live video by Robert, lots of interesting facts, I particularly like the way he does the Jeremy Clarkson "in the world" quote still. Worth watching :thumbsup:
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When I grow up I would like to get a Tesla ;D
I do like the Tesla probably because it looks more like a typical car you'd see on the road. I do like the Leaf because I think it is smaller and feel it is so easy to drive, maybe a tighter turning circle. I think both Nissan and Tesla need their cars to be worked on at a dealer because of the electronics which I dislike. I'm not sure if I'd even be able to buy a used Tesla.
Carl2
Oh yes there is a used Tesla market but they hold their value very well.
If I'm honest all Tesla cars are too big for me, I'm very happy with the size of the Leaf, it's just about right, maybe Tesla will bring out a smaller car in the future that would be more suitable to our roads in the UK and Europe. Robert mentioned that in the video, the model 3 is a great car but too big for him.
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Since the Tesla models are so popular I checked the latest model Y on you tube, this video it a bit long but contains a lot of features that might not be covered in other videos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAXDcTH6hPw
I had wished he put more in on the automatic driving features but that's not covered in detail.
Carl2
Thanks for putting the model Y video in Carl :thumbsup:
I do like the car, it has an abundance of modern features to drawl over and power to go with it, just too big a car for me, even if it was considerably cheaper, I don't need that size vehicle, plenty will though.
I myself also like the smaller size of the Leaf, in the real world I could never afford the Tesla but I'm amazed at what it can do on the road and would like to try driving one. The leaf has some cool features but Tesla has so many more features and the mileage is much better.
Carl2
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Looks like fully charged has gone up another level with the new presenters Andy Torbet 8)
Here's hoping for some episodes showing the positive impact electric cars are having on our towns, cities, environment and planet. It's not all about EV's being better cars than ICE to own and drive after all. :sign-peace:
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I had tried the winter studded tires on a gas car and found they were not that much help on ice, I ended up using regular winter tires after.
Carl2
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Good to see Roberts original Leaf is still working fine and never needed any repairs, it gives a lot of weight to the argument that electric cars are more reliable than ICE.
The battery has lost 2 bars since new but he admitted damaging the battery with too many 100% top up charges.
Looking forward to the 10 year old Leaf getting at 40kWh battery.
I had to check out the damage to his fender, not really that bad. I wish he put in the price of changing batteries.
Carl2
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Good video, pretty interesting car with lots of nice features.
Carl2
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Yes, I enjoyed the interview and those cars were pretty amazing.
If only the USA would wake up, the future could be so much better.
Good post!!
Art I think you might be being a little harsh on the good old U.S of A.
California, Texas and other states are going for green energy big time.
The USA brought us Tesla with some of the longest range EV's out there, 200 to 300 mile cars.
The USA has thousands of EV charging points installed. https://www.plugshare.com/
Yes the public might need a little bit of educating but the country as a whole is on the case.
Well that's how I see it :)
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Great video from Fully Charged, a must watch, thanks Robot :thumbsup:
Kind of liked it since he was making a mask, he could use pleated material to increase surface area, there is also a filtering material used to block out the virus used in hospital grade masks sold at Amazon. I liked him discussing the solid state batteries. It seemed a waste of time talking about the film or what ever talking about old out dated info.
Carl2
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Quote from: DataBot on May 12, 2020, 12:00:35 PM
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I like a history lesson, good video :thumbsup:
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Love it when Robert has a rant or two :LOL: :look-up:
So the biggest selling cars since the "event" have all been electric.
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Another great video from Fully Charged :look-up:
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So many more electric cars to choose from now but not many people will buy new, give it a couple of years and there will be plenty of used EV's on the market.
14,026 miles new for me and 15,322 miles now. 1,240 miles driven in one year, very low. Already spent to much for a new car so it better last a long time.
Carl2
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Electric Oil Tankers & Batteries in EVERYTHING | Fully ChargedSource: Electric Oil Tankers & Batteries in EVERYTHING | Fully Charged (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0domc-YlOZQ)
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Well worth watching :look-up:
Things are looking even better for Tesla
QuoteTesla stock soars above $1,000 as Musk vows to "go all out" for Semi
https://arstechnica.com/cars/2020/06/tesla-stock-soars-above-1000-as-musk-vows-to-go-all-out-for-semi/
China's Electric Vehicles revolution | Introducing FULLY CHARGED's East Asia correspondentSource: China's Electric Vehicles revolution | Introducing FULLY CHARGED's East Asia correspondent (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KwG_FMEuwU)
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Ten Year Anniversary livestream | Fully ChargedSource: Ten Year Anniversary livestream | Fully Charged (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoiu8HJAOlw)
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XPENG P7 1st Drive in Shanghai | FULLY CHARGED for Clean Energy & Electric VehiclesSource: XPENG P7 1st Drive in Shanghai | FULLY CHARGED for Clean Energy & Electric Vehicles (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTGGNyT-qIM)
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Could a £7,000 City Car switch you on to Electric? | Fully Charged for CLEAN ENERGY & EVsSource: Could a £7,000 City Car switch you on to Electric? | Fully Charged for CLEAN ENERGY & EVs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QkIarb-8Ot8)
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Some exciting electric cars coming out of China :look-up: you know I think they are taking the whole EV thing seriously, they will put much of the rest of the world to shame, watch this space.
Existential Crises, VW Software & Liquid Air Batteries | FULLY CHARGED for Clean Energy & EVsSource: Existential Crises, VW Software & Liquid Air Batteries | FULLY CHARGED for Clean Energy & EVs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kb4MYbVe1w0)
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Yup, agree with all that Robert :look-up: :thumbsup:
What's Your Carbon Foodprint? The How, When & Where of Food | FULLY CHARGED for Clean Energy & EVsSource: What's Your Carbon Foodprint? The How, When & Where of Food | FULLY CHARGED for Clean Energy & EVs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jk_YGNzBwUo)
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Vauxhall Corsa-e, 1st Drive Exclusive | FULLY CHARGED for Clean Energy & Electric VehiclesSource: Vauxhall Corsa-e, 1st Drive Exclusive | FULLY CHARGED for Clean Energy & Electric Vehicles (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PF6aatgole8)
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Never been much of a fan of Vauxhall, always thought their cars were a bit on the plain and boring side of things, no accounting for taste though. Plenty of other people like them and buy them so I'm sure they are going to sell and we will see them on our roads.
I think Robert makes a valid point about it's high price, these car manufacturers need to get serious about EV's and start to move away from ICE ASAP.
Well I have the same feelings about Nissan over here, the Leaf is only one of several models that Nissan makes and the price for the leaf is on the high side.
Carl2
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Ask FULLY CHARGED Anything! Patreons & YouTube Members interrogate Robert | Clean Energy & EVsSource: Ask FULLY CHARGED Anything! Patreons & YouTube Members interrogate Robert | Clean Energy & EVs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yxPjHAgBDys)
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Mercedes Benz EQC - Rory Reid First Drive | FULLY CHARGED for Clean Energy & Electric VehiclesSource: Mercedes Benz EQC - Rory Reid First Drive | FULLY CHARGED for Clean Energy & Electric Vehicles (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8VGVOgWPpA)
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Dirty Money, Banned Adverts & New EVs | FULLY CHARGED for Clean Energy & Electric VehiclesSource: Dirty Money, Banned Adverts & New EVs | FULLY CHARGED for Clean Energy & Electric Vehicles (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=scv62CbqYSQ)
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Ahh, the good old oil companies, only got our best interests at heart, we love them (NOT) :look-up:
Which Cities Worldwide are leading on Clean Energy & Electric Vehicles? | Fully Charged CITIES 2020Source: Which Cities Worldwide are leading on Clean Energy & Electric Vehicles? | Fully Charged CITIES 2020 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7fPWqhjWhE)
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Nissan ARIYA - Japan's most significant EV? | FULLY CHARGED for clean energy & electric vehiclesSource: Nissan ARIYA - Japan's most significant EV? | FULLY CHARGED for clean energy & electric vehicles (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pn-U09WOIg)
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The new Nissan ARIYA is too big for me but I'm sure we will start to see them on our roads pretty soon.
The amount of options for fully electric cars just keeps growing as does the public charging network and renewable electricity generation 8)
Polestar 2 - A Tesla Accomplice, At Last? | FULLY CHARGED for Clean Energy & Electric VehiclesSource: Polestar 2 - A Tesla Accomplice, At Last? | FULLY CHARGED for Clean Energy & Electric Vehicles (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cwD50F_RWw)
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Yet another new EV :look-up:
Getting spoiled for choice now, all good :)
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Elon Musk is also going to start a mining company to supply the compounds for batteries at the new Texas site or at least this was mentioned.
Carl2
I just want to say that I see a lot of Tesla cars around where I live now, every day I'm seeing them on the roads and there is a little village not far from me where 3 of them reside. Really getting popular over here.