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Title: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on April 08, 2010, 19:08:07 PM
Check out the latest from LHC here...
http://lhc.web.cern.ch/lhc/News.htm

The LHC is up and running and hitting records for the most powerfull collisions to date at 7TEV (3.5TEV per beam)
It will be doing science at this level for approx. 2 years.
It will then be upgraded to it's higher level (14TEV, 7TEV per beam)

1 TEV (terra electron volts) is a lot of power.

Here's hoping they find the Higgs boson.
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on May 02, 2010, 16:05:24 PM
Latest news here  ...

http://cdsweb.cern.ch/journal/CERNBulletin/2010/18/News%20Articles/1261777?ln=en

Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on May 21, 2010, 12:08:25 PM
14 TEV is about the equivalent energy of a mosquito flying into you.

Doesn't sound much but a mosquito is millions (billions?) of atoms with even more protons and neutrons.

14TEV at the LHC is in 2 protons (or will be) and creates a temp of several trillion degrees.
(C, F or K whatever you want)
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Data on May 21, 2010, 12:34:46 PM
I remember all the rubbish some people were spreading about the LHC, its going to make a black hole and destroy the world LOL.

Many of them were religious nuts, Well they got that wrong hehe.

Interesting thread Snowy.
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on May 27, 2010, 20:12:52 PM
Latest news on commissioning as of the 24/05/10

http://cdsweb.cern.ch/journal/CERNBulletin/2010/21/News%20Articles/1266273?ln=en

Soon to start real science
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on July 09, 2010, 11:38:10 AM
More news from CERN...
http://cdsweb.cern.ch/journal/CERNBulletin/2010/27/News%20Articles/1274486?ln=en

They are still making the beams more intense and still a factor of 100 to go in power.
And they've dumped a new unit on me. The barn. Physics is all about fields, now we have barns too. Arrrgghhh  :o
What one is... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barn_(unit))
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on July 27, 2010, 22:48:05 PM
Latest news from the LHC here (http://cdsweb.cern.ch/journal/CERNBulletin/2010/29/News%20Articles/1277714?ln=en)

Still ramping up the power but suffering with mysterious losses (cue dramatic music) da da daaaa
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Data on July 27, 2010, 23:23:56 PM


Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on August 07, 2010, 13:51:57 PM
Latest news from the LHC (http://cdsweb.cern.ch/journal/CERNBulletin/2010/31/News%20Articles/1281662?ln=en)

They're still tweaking the machine so it is more usable. I rekon 6 months to 1 year before any important discoveries.

Thank you for the dramatic music Datahopa. I did smile  ;D

In related news, the Tevatron has excluded some energy bands for the Higgs. Leaving 2 main bands at this energy level. Full story here. (http://blog.vixra.org/2010/07/26/tevatron-higgs-exclusion/)
It is possible the the Higgs is not here but further up the energy band. It is also possible that the Higgs does not exist or is more than 1 particle (upto 5 with current 'theories')

There was a rumour that the Tevatron had found the Higgs recently. Not so apparently. (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/large-hadron-collider/7888012/Higgs-boson-discovery-rumours-false-say-Tevatron-scientists.html)
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on September 06, 2010, 18:26:28 PM
Latest news from the LHC (http://cdsweb.cern.ch/journal/CERNBulletin/2010/37/News%20Articles/1288523?ln=en).

The machine is now commissioned and fully working. Just entering a re-commissioning phase to get it to the desired power intensities. 96 bunches at whatever pb-1 (I think this is peta barn).
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on September 23, 2010, 17:36:24 PM
Latest news from the LHC (http://cdsweb.cern.ch/journal/CERNBulletin/2010/38/News%20Articles/1291606?ln=en).

Nope, I dont get it either.   :o
It apears that getting the angles right if proving difficult.
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on October 20, 2010, 23:14:26 PM
More news from the LHC (http://cdsweb.cern.ch/journal/CERNBulletin/2010/40/News%20Articles/1295557?ln=en).

Some unexpected finds and still ramping up the energy.

Still waiting with bated breath for any results though.  :-\
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on October 21, 2010, 19:35:55 PM
News from the LHC (http://cdsweb.cern.ch/journal/CERNBulletin/2010/43/News%20Articles/1299839?ln=en).

The machine is now shut down for repairs/upgrades but will continue next month.

You can see the status of the LHC here (http://lhc.web.cern.ch/lhc/).
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Freddy on October 21, 2010, 19:43:11 PM
This is pretty groovy - go into the tunnels and set it full screen.

http://petermccready.com/
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Data on October 22, 2010, 12:29:00 PM
That is very cool Freddy, thanks for finding and posting it. I pressed F11 and put the browser into full screen for full effect.
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on November 04, 2010, 12:52:57 PM
The Latest from the LHC : Last period of proton running for 2010 (http://cdsweb.cern.ch/journal/CERNBulletin/2010/45/News%20Articles/1302710?ln=en).
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on January 03, 2011, 17:37:33 PM
I seemed to have missed a couple of posts at the LHC. They are now shut down for the winter and have finished their heavy ion (lead nucleus) collisions.

Here is the main page (http://lhc.web.cern.ch/lhc/News.htm).

and 4 articles
Successful switch to ions. (http://cdsweb.cern.ch/journal/CERNBulletin/2010/47/News%20Articles/1306161?ln=en)
The success of the lead ion run continues. (http://cdsweb.cern.ch/journal/CERNBulletin/2010/48/News%20Articles/1309489?ln=en)
A well-deserved break. (http://cdsweb.cern.ch/journal/CERNBulletin/2010/50/News%20Articles/1312607?ln=en)
2010 ion run: completed! (http://cdsweb.cern.ch/journal/CERNBulletin/2010/50/News%20Articles/1312215?ln=en)
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on March 05, 2011, 11:40:54 AM
Not been keeping an eye on this. These 2 posts are from 17/01 and 31/01. The LHC will be up and running again soon.

Even accelerators need a break (http://cdsweb.cern.ch/journal/CERNBulletin/2011/03/News%20Articles/1321846?ln=en).

The shutdown work nearing completion (http://cdsweb.cern.ch/journal/CERNBulletin/2011/06/News%20Articles/1324850?ln=en).
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Data on April 07, 2011, 19:30:44 PM
Not the LHC but related.

Tevatron accelerator yields hints of new particle

A particle accelerator in the US has shown compelling hints of a never-before-seen particle, researchers say.

Found here. (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-13000253)


Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on April 07, 2011, 20:23:14 PM
Interesting. Only a 3-sigma event but looking promising.

And definitely not a (or the) Higgs particle.

The LHC is being fired up again but no new news as of yet.
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on May 24, 2011, 22:03:28 PM
I'm not neglecting this thread but there have been no official new from the LHC for a while now.
Very unusual. I assume they're working hard to get it up and running.
http://lhc.web.cern.ch/lhc/
Not seen 'movable devices allowed in' as true so no science being done.
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on June 03, 2011, 18:27:38 PM
I have found this link about how the commissioning is going.
http://lhc-commissioning.web.cern.ch/lhc-commissioning/

On the 21/04/11 they broke the world record for luminosity.
It was held by the Tevatron at 4.024e32 cm-2s-1.

They are now at triple the world record with 1.26e33 cm-2s-1 (or 12.6e32) as of 29/05/11. (I think the unit is barns)
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on June 07, 2011, 19:06:20 PM
I've also found a link to the dashboard (http://lhcdashboard.web.cern.ch/lhcdashboard/). The Homepage (http://lhc.web.cern.ch/lhc/) has some of this info as well.

You can watch live data as it happens. Not very exciting I know but the text comment can be revealing.

I saw "lost beams    again" on sunday. I could feel the frustration in those words.

There seems to be plenty of science going on but still no official press releases.
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on July 15, 2011, 02:14:30 AM
Been checking out the LHC dashboard (http://lhcdashboard.web.cern.ch/lhcdashboard/) lately and they've been doing Machine Development (MD, it took me ages to work out this abbr.) and had a power cut on Sun 10th July. And homepage (http://lhc.web.cern.ch/lhc/).

They've been ramping up powers again and are at about 1/10 of their max as of today on fill number 1945. Some science being done but mainly MD. I have found this link to their internal news (http://lhc-commissioning.web.cern.ch/lhc-commissioning/news-2011/LHC-latest-news.html) but I haven't got power point installed so can't see the meeting results.

I think I understand the graphs in the dashboard now. Intensity is how many protons per beam, energy is the power in the magnets accelerating the beam. Bunch intensities is how many protons per bunch (one vertical line or bucket). A bucket is a time slot in the 27km ring measured in micro seconds (at a fair fraction of the speed of light the beams go around the 27km ring fairly quickly).

Please ask questions if you want to know more. I work on the idiom of you understand a subject more when you have to explain it to someone else.
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: DaveMorton on July 15, 2011, 03:08:27 AM
This has been a "back burner" interest of mine for quite some time now, especially when it comes to laughing at the "YouTube idiots" who post those Doomsday videos about the LHC creating a "micro black hole" which will undoubtedly swallow up the entire solar system. I saw one video last year that tied the LHC into the "12/23/2012 end of the world" crap, by indicating that that's the date that the LHC will finally be running at full power. Maybe YouTube is the "Hub of Bull". :D
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on July 15, 2011, 11:54:06 AM
The LHC magnets are designed to go to 7TeV. They're only running at 3.5TeV for the next couple of years. After that there will be a major upgrade and then will go to full power. I think they may miss the 2012 deadline  ;D
This is the most complex machine humans have built and they're still trying to work out the problems of running it.
It also has the biggest magnet ever built (in size and energy stored in it). So big it was built in 3 sections and assembled on site.
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Data on July 15, 2011, 12:29:44 PM
Quote from: DaveMorton on July 15, 2011, 03:08:27 AM
This has been a "back burner" interest of mine for quite some time now, especially when it comes to laughing at the "YouTube idiots" who post those Doomsday videos about the LHC creating a "micro black hole" which will undoubtedly swallow up the entire solar system. I saw one video last year that tied the LHC into the "12/23/2012 end of the world" crap, by indicating that that's the date that the LHC will finally be running at full power. Maybe YouTube is the "Hub of Bull". :D

I'm with Dave, am interested in the LHC, like to keep up to date on what's happening, Thanks to Snowy we can quite easily.

Maybe we should have a thread for plain stupid videos on YouTube, that might be a laugh :LOL:. 
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: DaveMorton on July 15, 2011, 13:04:20 PM
Quote from: Data on July 15, 2011, 12:29:44 PM
I'm with Dave, am interested in the LHC, like to keep up to date on what's happening, Thanks to Snowy we can quite easily.

Maybe we should have a thread for plain stupid videos on YouTube, that might be a laugh :LOL:. 


That's not a bad idea, Data! I'll go in search of some of my "personal favorites", and have them ready, should we go forward with this suggestion. :)
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Freddy on July 15, 2011, 13:16:32 PM
I wish you could turn off the comments on You Tube.
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Data on July 15, 2011, 13:21:08 PM
You can only turn off the comments and prevent people from making them on your own videos. 

Is that what you mean Freddy? 
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Freddy on July 15, 2011, 13:36:12 PM
I mean ALL the comments.  :LOL:
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on July 20, 2011, 20:59:01 PM
Fill 1962 happening now. Ramping upto full power as I type.

1380 bunches.

http://lhcdashboard.web.cern.ch/lhcdashboard/
http://lhc.web.cern.ch/lhc/
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on July 21, 2011, 17:47:33 PM
This fill was a 15 hour run. Best since MD and power cut.

The largest time I've seen was about 22 hours but it's hard to get any data outside the 7 day window of the dashboard.

Apparently they're having problems with 'dump kicker in SPS'. Sounds painful and no, I don't know what it means.
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on July 24, 2011, 16:23:38 PM
Found this link on BBC website (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-14258601).

Starting to get some results from the LHC but nothing definitive yet. If you read the bullet points by the 2 pence piece picture it will give you an idea what 2-5 sigma events mean.

Only 2 sigma certainty at the moment (low, could be statistical error). 3 sigma is good but not classed as a discovery until 5 sigma (1 in 1 million chance of being error)
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on August 18, 2011, 16:20:44 PM
Continuing development of the LHC has seen the beams hit total power of 100MJ each. (mega joules)
Though they've broken it again, power cut this time. No beam for 48 hours as I type but they've recently replaced a magnet with a downtime of a about a week. It takes 2 days to get the area back down to 1.9K (Kelvin. 0K = -273C)

There appears to be no more posts in the LHC News section. Last one was feb. I have found a press release section though. Here's the link (http://public.web.cern.ch/press/pressreleases/List.html).

This is what I'll be going to see (http://outreach.web.cern.ch/outreach/). Will do a post when I get back.
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on August 23, 2011, 13:07:57 PM
Hurrah.

I have now been there, seen it and got the t-shirt.

The main snippet of info I gleened was the difference between the Higgs field and the Higgs boson.

The next bit is not confirmed and is what the LHC is trying to proove. Put simply, they are trying to answer the question 'what is mass?'.

The Higgs field permeates everywhere, similar to an electro-magnetic field. It acts on particles (not all) giving them their mass. It also acts on itself and this will cause Higgs's to collect together and create a particle; the Higgs boson. Every particle has a mass/energy spike and the range 140 to 145 GeV (giga electron volts) is looking promising for the Higgs boson. They may collect together in differnet ways/amounts and this will mean there are more than 1 Higgs bosons.

It is impossible to work out the masses of any particle by maths alone and is why these particle accelerators are built in the first place. About half the particles we know have been worked out through theory and half by experiment. All the masses are worked out through experiment to confirm/discard the theories and then create new theories. We are not there yet. One of the other big unanswered questions is 'what is gravity?'.

Does this make sense to you Diesel? Or anyone?

These are my words and I'm not a physicist.  :breakdance:

My oops. Edited mass of Higgs, was out by 100.
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Diesel on August 23, 2011, 17:06:54 PM
Thanks Snowcrash that all makes sense to me. However, having read this article:-

http://www.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/int/news/-/news/science-environment-14596367 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/go/rss/int/news/-/news/science-environment-14596367)

I'm not sure where this goes now. Any thoughts?. :scratch-head:
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on August 23, 2011, 18:12:14 PM
Where I used the words theory and theories read 'standard model'.

This is the ongoing model of the fundamental forces (bosons) and particles (leptons, quarks).
For the Higgs and the quest for it this wiki has a good graph (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Higgs_boson). Scroll down to 'Experimental search' heading and it shows where the search is headed.
This is a good wiki of the standard model (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Model). Alternative here (http://www-donut.fnal.gov/web_pages/standardmodelpg/TheStandardModel.html).
And just to thorough here's the wiki I don't get either (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard_Model_(mathematical_formulation)).
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: DaveMorton on August 23, 2011, 18:27:48 PM
Well, there's still a bit of "area" to search yet. The region surrounding 250GeV, for example, plus lower and higher energy levels still need to be explored. I'm obviously no physicist, but I'm willing to bet it won't be found until they both improve their ability to detect particles/interactions at 500GeV+, and of course, to search that region more closely. In other words, I think it's going to turn out to be a fairly 'heavy' particle. Of course, my chances of being right are... well... I'm an auto mechanic, for cripes sake. :)
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: DaveMorton on August 23, 2011, 18:42:59 PM
I was reading a discussion at LinkedIn, and ran across this link (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-14488797). Apparently, the LHC is looking into "cloud-sourcing" some of the computations involved in searching for the Higgs Boson, much like Cal State's "protein folding" work, or SETI@home. I think I'll look into it, as my desktop is on 24/7.

I wasn't sure if you folks were already aware of this, so I thought I'd bring it up. :)
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on August 23, 2011, 18:59:34 PM
I did do a fair few WU for seti@home on into the boinc client. I have known seti@home to kill machines in hot weather. Not to mention a PC on 24/7 going flat out uses about £20 a month lecky, less what it'd be on for anyway I 'spose.

LHC@home also uses the boinc client (http://boinc.berkeley.edu/download_all.php).

With the added advantage that graphics cards are sometimes used as well. GPU computing (http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/GPU_computing).
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on August 25, 2011, 17:05:33 PM
Found this CERN facts and figures page (http://public.web.cern.ch/public/en/lhc/Facts-en.html).

I do like the bit "just one-eighth of its cryogenic distribution system would qualify as the world's largest fridge"

And this more in depth PDF (http://cdsweb.cern.ch/record/1165534/files/CERN-Brochure-2009-003-Eng.pdf). All without formulae.  ;)
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: DaveMorton on August 25, 2011, 17:28:23 PM
As an update, I went ahead and followed all of the instructions for setting up LHC@home. I installed VirtualBox, and the BOINC client, and went to the URL mentioned to point BOINC to the correct project...

And found out they're not taking on any new project members.  :sign-sad:

So I uninstalled BOINC, and am now using VirtualBox to run Ubuntu, so that I can test more web pages and run other programs that I'm involved with (e.g. ChatScript for Linux). :)

Good thing I like lemonade. I seem to be making a lot of it from the lemons I'm getting lately. :P
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on August 25, 2011, 17:36:18 PM
From what I was reading, the new project has only just come online and is over subscribed at the mo.

They need more servers to handle the data. Keep an eye on it. It'll come back.
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on August 26, 2011, 16:46:33 PM
Another little snippet fact I've found is...

When the beams are running at 100MJ (the highest I've seen them. Max is 350MJ), each beam has enough energy to melt about 150kg of copper (350MJ = 500kg of copper).

The beams are dumped to stop blocks. "The core of the stop block is made of a stack of various graphite plates with different densities."
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: DaveMorton on August 26, 2011, 17:12:43 PM
That's one HECK of a catcher's mitt, don't you think? :D
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on August 27, 2011, 14:47:06 PM
Caught this article from the RSS feeds on the main forum page. Supersymmetry is looking like a wrong theory.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-14680570 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-14680570)

Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on September 27, 2011, 18:00:35 PM
The latest conference in Mumbai states...

ATLAS and CMS have excluded the existence of a Higgs over most of the mass region 145 to 466 GeV with 95 percent certainty.

So it's looking like the Higgs doesn't exist. Only time will tell.

Article here (http://public.web.cern.ch/press/pressreleases/Releases2011/PR14.11E.html).
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on December 13, 2011, 17:57:29 PM
It's that time of year when CERN shuts down for the winter, so no new science being done for a few months.

But, and it's a biggie, there have been some press releases saying they think they've found the Higgs boson.

It appears to be around 125 GeV, which is the low end for our current therories (standard model). The certainty level is about 1.8 to 2.5 sigma so it's not a discovery yet (has to be 5 sigma) and there will be no more data 'till next year.

Cern press release here. (http://public.web.cern.ch/press/pressreleases/Releases2011/PR25.11E.html)
Bad Astonomy blog here. (http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/badastronomy/2011/12/13/mass-effect-maybe-higgs-maybe-not/)
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on December 13, 2011, 18:13:18 PM
To put a little more perspective on what 125 GeV means...

The rest mass of a proton is approx 1 GeV (actually 0.938 GeV. I did look this up (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proton)) or 1.672621777(74)×10 -27  kg if you dislike electron volts (eV).

So, it's about 125 times the mass of a proton.
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on March 10, 2012, 11:28:15 AM
The LHC is up but not yet running for the year they find the Higgs, hopefully. They are planning a ramp in power from 3.5 TeV to 4 TeV (http://public.web.cern.ch/press/pressreleases/Releases2012/PR01.12E.html). The collisions being twice this value. The max the machine can do is 7 TeV but we're 2-3 years or so off from that at the mo. with a 20 month technical stop at the end of this year to upgrade the machine.

Here's the live data from the dashboard. (http://lhcdashboard.web.cern.ch/lhcdashboard/)

And press releases here. (http://public.web.cern.ch/press/pressreleases/List.html)

Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on April 18, 2012, 23:24:53 PM
The LHC is up and running and doing science.

Another record hit on the 5th Apr 2012 of 8TeV. Article here (http://public.web.cern.ch/press/pressreleases/Releases2012/PR10.12E.html).

The beams are running at a little over 100MJ per beam. This will go up as the weeks go on due to putting more protons per bunch and more bunches. Currently at 1380 bunches and about 1E11 (100,000 million) protons per bunch. And it takes 1 million protons to create 1 anti-proton.

I expect it'll be the end of summer before anything is anounced about the Higgs.
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: DD1975 on June 21, 2012, 21:58:14 PM
A new article for you:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18521327 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18521327)
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: sybershot on June 21, 2012, 23:19:58 PM
Any theory's of what would happen to a living being standing inside the particle smasher right where the particles collide  :P
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: DaveMorton on June 21, 2012, 23:40:35 PM
I'm thinking something along the lines of the world's largest microwave on steroids... Times a million! :)
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: sybershot on June 22, 2012, 17:57:27 PM
Great possible theory Dave  :thumbsup:
I think vaporization of all the nearby matter would ac cur  ;D 
It is hard to imagine that 2 tiny particles could create such a force of destruction.

Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: DaveMorton on June 22, 2012, 20:46:44 PM
More than 2, actually. More like millions in each stream. But still the total mass of those particles (at rest, mind you) is still unimaginably small.
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on June 24, 2012, 10:39:52 AM
Quote from: sybershot on June 21, 2012, 23:19:58 PM
Any theory's of what would happen to a living being standing inside the particle smasher right where the particles collide  :P

In a word, death.

The particles would be very unhealthy, from a radiation point of view. = death in a few days/weeks.
Moving through several tons of machinery would be impossible but I'll ignore this bit.
The magnetic field strength, to hold this lot in place, would be enough to pull the iron from your blood. = death in mins/hours.

In summary, the magnets would get you before the radiation.
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Freddy on June 24, 2012, 11:14:28 AM
Quotewould be enough to pull the iron from your blood

Eeew gruesome, reminds me of Magneto in x-men  :o
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on June 24, 2012, 12:02:38 PM
The sort of energies they obtain at the LHC are going on all the time in the upper atmosphere. Not as intense but even higher energies.
They're called cosmic rays up there.

Astronauts have complained of seeing flashes from these cosmic rays going through their eyes.


Latest release from CERN is this (http://public.web.cern.ch/press/pressreleases/Releases2012/PR16.12E.html). They have lots of data and are crunching the numbers now. Results due this autumn (fall).
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: sybershot on June 25, 2012, 03:04:24 AM
QuoteMore than 2, actually. More like millions in each stream. But still the total mass of those particles (at rest, mind you) is still unimaginably small.
I know there are lots of them Dave :) I was being sorta un-technical or maybe too technical lol

QuoteMoving through several tons of machinery would be impossible but I'll ignore this bit.
what no maintenance door  :P

Actually Thanks Snowcrash, I actually forgot all about the magnetic field 
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: DD1975 on July 02, 2012, 20:51:09 PM
Latest news from the US (Tevatron) with an annoucement from the LHC deu on Wednesday apparently:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18677808 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18677808)
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Data on July 04, 2012, 16:37:37 PM
Today is the day and it's looking like they have found the Higgs boson.

Cern scientists reporting from the Large Hadron Collider (LHC) have claimed the discovery of a new particle consistent with the Higgs boson.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-18702455 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-18702455)
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Freddy on July 04, 2012, 16:44:27 PM
I won't believe it until I see them being sold in TESCOs  ;)
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: DD1975 on July 04, 2012, 18:37:51 PM
So what do we know form the annoucement.

We have a new particle that is almost certainly the Higgs Bosun.  :woot:

However there reamins a very important question.

What type of Higgs have they found?  :scratch-head:

Watch this space.........
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: DD1975 on July 04, 2012, 18:58:07 PM
FOund a good article on BBC:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18708686 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-18708686)
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: DaveMorton on September 29, 2012, 06:31:30 AM
So they THINK they've found the Higgs, but they don't want to commit to that yet... Hmmm. :)
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on September 29, 2012, 09:26:50 AM
They've found something. It looks like a Higgs, smells like a Higgs and tastes like a Higgs. This is as close to a conclusion as they've got. (http://public.web.cern.ch/press/pressreleases/Releases2012/PR17.12E.html)
No one is committing yet and there maybe more than 1 Higgs.

The LHC has just finished Pb/P collisions (lead/proton) with some interesting results (http://public.web.cern.ch/press/pressreleases/Releases2012/PR21.12E.html).



Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: sybershot on September 29, 2012, 17:12:18 PM
Great update  :thumbsup: thanks for posting Snowcrash

Dave they found it, they just have to it a secret for the new Higgs spaceship engine there gonna build lol  :LOL:
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Diesel on February 14, 2013, 16:44:16 PM
Doesn't seem that long ago that they re-started this thing.  :scratch-head:


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-21421460# (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-21421460#)
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on February 14, 2013, 17:36:02 PM
It is still doing physics. Dashboard. (http://lhcdashboard.web.cern.ch/lhcdashboard/)

The current build level has been operating for about 3-4 years. It started at 3.5GeV and got to 4GeV last year.
The 2 year planned shutdown is to upgrade the system to its designed power level of 7GeV.

All collisions are twice these energies.
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Diesel on February 15, 2013, 18:13:33 PM
Just a quick question Snowy (or three actually), I believe the Magnets used here are Super Cooled to almost 0' Kelvin, is that right and how long do you believe it will take to warm them without them cracking. Are they convection warmed or is another method used.  :scratch-head:
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on February 16, 2013, 07:36:41 AM
The LHC has 2 cooling systems. Stage 1 is 10,080 tons of liquid nitrogen and cooled to 77K (-196C, -321F) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liquid_nitrogen)
Stage 2 is 120 tons of liquid helium II and cooled to 1.9K (-271C, -455F). One 1/4 of this system would be the largest fridge in the world.

Everything is heavily insulated. I assume they would turn the chiller pumps off but keep circulation pumps on to gently warm everything through natural convection. It has shut down now. (http://lhcdashboard.web.cern.ch/lhcdashboard/) and there is a cryo status button on that page. I can't find anything saying how long it takes to cool/warm but it'll be in the region of days to weeks.
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on February 20, 2013, 17:48:49 PM
It's still looking cold in the cryo. Link here (http://lhcdashboard-images.web.cern.ch/lhcdashboard-images/cryo2.html).

Only one section has "no cryo maintain" red, today that is.

I'm interested to see how long it takes to warm up. 4 days and counting...
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: DD1975 on February 28, 2013, 12:52:01 PM
One for Snowy here:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-21594357 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-21594357)

Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Diesel on April 02, 2013, 13:43:56 PM
Up date from the LHC.


http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-21941666# (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-21941666#)
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: DD1975 on April 02, 2013, 17:46:12 PM
And a video on it's upgrade:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22002899 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-22002899)
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on April 02, 2013, 18:20:46 PM
Like the first car ran smoothly, didn't break down and did 45mpg.

This is technology, no one has come anywhere near these sorts of energies before.

As a side note, some of the cryo is still cold. Link (http://lhcdashboard-images.web.cern.ch/lhcdashboard-images/cryo2.html). How many weeks is that?
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on November 08, 2014, 12:20:01 PM
We're getting closer to the switch on of the LHC next year. Thought I'd resurrect this thread.
Found this interesting lecture at the RI with a Q & A section.

Mysteries of matter at the LHC (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q944yL8wSFE#ws)

Q&A - Mysteries of matter at the LHC (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-0sRSo1Ir4#ws)
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Data on November 08, 2014, 14:16:29 PM
I watched it all, science is truly awesome, roll on 2015.

Nice post Snowy  8)

Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: DD1975 on March 06, 2015, 12:30:35 PM
Almost time for this thread to become active again  8)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-31162725 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-31162725)
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Data on April 05, 2015, 12:39:21 PM
It's back on-line and running then.

Actual collisions will not begin for at least another month.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-32160755 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-32160755)
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on April 06, 2015, 11:29:13 AM
Been keeping an eye on the Dashboard (http://lhcdashboard.web.cern.ch/lhcdashboard/). No beams as of yet but the Cryo (http://lhcdashboard-images.web.cern.ch/lhcdashboard-images/cryo2.html) is looking good. These are live data and will therefore change with time.
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on April 11, 2015, 09:04:16 AM
They've started calibration beams.
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: DD1975 on May 21, 2015, 17:17:27 PM
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-32809636 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-32809636)
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on May 22, 2015, 08:28:08 AM
I do keep an eye on the dashboard from time to time. They're regularly taking it up to 6.5TeV with 1-8 bunches (intensity of the beam). Once they start science then shut down for the winter, I expect them to take it up to 7TeV or possibly 8TeV next year.
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on May 25, 2015, 11:11:59 AM
Slightly off topic but I thought it relevant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IeeshkVATY (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IeeshkVATY)
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Data on June 03, 2015, 13:31:30 PM
Good video Snowy  :thumbsup:

The Large Hadron Collider has re-started scientific investigations after a two-year pause.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-32976838 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-32976838)
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on June 06, 2015, 13:07:03 PM
Science has started. They're up to 13 bunches as of today. The top luminosity is about 2000 bunches.

http://lhcdashboard.web.cern.ch/lhcdashboard/ (http://lhcdashboard.web.cern.ch/lhcdashboard/)

Found this vid too.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf6cdU4a930 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jf6cdU4a930)
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Data on July 15, 2015, 01:27:56 AM
LHC discovers new pentaquark particle.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-33517492 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-33517492)
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Freddy on July 15, 2015, 20:05:30 PM
Interesting  8)
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on July 19, 2015, 10:52:36 AM
For those that prefer vids.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02uOm5Kl5ls (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=02uOm5Kl5ls)

And I found this, just to muddy the waters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LraNu_78sCw (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LraNu_78sCw)
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on April 16, 2016, 15:58:22 PM
The LHC is up and running calibration tests. No science as yet but not far off.

http://lhcdashboard.web.cern.ch/lhcdashboard/index.html (http://lhcdashboard.web.cern.ch/lhcdashboard/index.html)

6.5TeV this time (before shutdown they were up to 4TeV).
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on April 29, 2016, 19:47:33 PM
Just started science but on halt for now. It appears a transformer blew, cause...

A weasel!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36173247 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36173247)
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: DD1975 on July 06, 2016, 08:16:28 AM
Time for an update  ;)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-36703721
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Data on July 06, 2016, 14:10:27 PM
Thanks for the up-date DD, good to see it's still in action and doing some proper science.
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on July 17, 2016, 13:22:22 PM
I was a bit slow on reading your post DD. Read up on this and was about to post but realised you beat me to it.

Thanks for the info.
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: Snowcrash on April 23, 2017, 10:33:54 AM
What's been happening at the LHC. (https://home.cern/about/updates/2017/04/what-happened-while-lhc-slept-over-winter)

The Cryo (http://dashboard.web.cern.ch/LHC/index#CRYO/LHC_Cryo_Status) is all cooled down. Beams to start soon.
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: DD1975 on April 30, 2017, 20:37:48 PM
cool keep us up to date snowy
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: DD1975 on June 16, 2018, 20:36:41 PM
Been a while since we heard from this:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-44484062
Title: Re: News from the LHC
Post by: DaveMorton on June 17, 2018, 01:16:27 AM
Thanks, DD. I appreciate the update. :thumbsup: