Datahopa

Thought it was time to start a thread on these new CPU's from AMD, not due for release until the end of 2016, they seriously seem to have the potential to shake up the CPU market.

A recent demo put the CPU on par with Intel's Broadwell-E, that is a huge jump for AMD and could lead to cheaper CPU's for all of us. Intel might have to drop their prices to compete.

This guy has made a video of it and sums it up quite well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lH3R4kvyOY8

You know, I used to be a staunch fan of AMD CPUs, until they dropped the ball and Intel beat them up and took their lunch money. If this gets them back in the game I'll have to take a good, hard look at them again. :thumbsup:

I was thinking the same thing Dave  :)

It also feels like Intel have kept us on quad cores for eons by keeping 6 and 8 core CPU's priced too high for the average persons pocket.

Zen could open the way for more cores for everyone.

I'm rooting for you AMD  8)  :thumbsup:

Well I've only had my 6 core for a year and two months, so I won't be upgrading for at least another year, probably not even then. The PC is fast, I don't use the CPU for rendering any more either. GPU is more likely something I would upgrade first.

You are one of the lucky ones with deeper pockets then Freddy, already owning Broadwell-E  :hats-off:

Yeah Zen wont be for you unless you feel the need for the 16 core monster with AMD's version of hyper threading, it will give 32 cores available to windows  :o

There is also rumor of a 32 core version with 64 threads, I kid you not.

http://wccftech.com/amd-naples-32-core-zen/

Very exciting times ahead  :D

Only because I save up specially for upgrades. I haven't been saving for PC stuff since I bought the GPU, so it will definitely be further down the road this time.

  I went with Intel because people were crushing the copper casing used with the AMD processors, I haven't paid much attention to AMD since then.
We'll see how they do,  I'm thinking that the 8 cores have a rollback in frequency you don't see in the 6 core so the 6 core is fine with me,  will AMD's 8 core have a roll back?
Carl2

I don't know for sure because these CPU's haven't hit the market yet but you might have a point Carl2, it is possible the clock speeds will be lower as they increase the cores from 8, 16 and 32, in an attempt to keep heat production down.

But it is only my best guess.

I'm thinking the 16 core version might be a nice sweet spot, lets see how they perform when they get released, oh and how much they cost too.

Zen is getting closer and the web is getting full of information and speculation about it.

Some leaked benchmarks are looking impressive and if they are to be believed (which is possible) they might be taking the crown from Intel soon with their new chip "Ryzen".

If you have the time, check out this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1j7FMQKzMw

  I've pretty much decided I should go with a 4 core and I'm sitting back waiting for the Kaby to be released.  There is also a new motherboard for the Kaby which I haven't seen any mention of maybe it will magically appear when the cpu is out.  Either way I'd hold back before switching to AMD and get a good feel about how other people feel about the new AMD.
  It's an interesting video and it's nice to see AMD is trying to maximize the use of technologies in use.  I think the six core is interesting because it can handle the heat but the eight core that has to cut back on speed is another thing.  I didn't notice a price for the AMD.
Carl2

Really good video  :thumbsup:

For me it would come down to price at the end of the day, as they haven't exactly eclipsed Intel - at least on this evidence, but as he hints there may be more to come. The side by side comparisons are interesting but I'm not the sort to sweat over a couple of seconds - although if they can keep up and maybe go a little further than Intel then it has to be good for the market generally. Also 10 Watts isn't something that I lose sleep over.

The example of rendering in Blender didn't really grab me as I don't do CPU rendering any more, but I see the value of it as a benchmark alone.

But very interesting indeed and worth watching and listening. Good luck to AMD  :thumbsup:

Yes it is a good video isn't it, the guy does a good job at keeping it fair and unbiased, I think.

If nothing else it does look like AMD will have a chip to rival Intel, so yeah good news all round.

One thing he didn't mention in this video that I have seen and read in other places is the memory, it's looking like Ryzen will run dual channel memory and not quad channel like Intel do on their X99 platform.

This could mean that an AMD Ryzen platform could be aimed more at the mid-end user, being cheaper to build than an Intel X99 system with 4 sticks of RAM. Putting it another way this could be 8 core CPU's for the masses, if the price is right.

Well we have seen some leaked benchmarks and pricing for Ryzen and I have been following it as close as I can, erere things are looking very promising.

It seems that Ryzen cores are roughly on par with Skylake cores with their IPC. So pretty fast then. 

However pricing is looking incredible, if these leaks can be believed then we are looking at something around 60 to70% cheaper for the top end 8 core 16 thread CPU compared to Intel.  :o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZi82fu9AzU

Enough of the speculation, we will find out for sure soon, as I'm posting this Ryzen is about one month away, I think.   

Ryzen, pre-order from about £300...

https://www.scan.co.uk/shops/amd/ryzen?utm_campaign=ScanShot+564+22%252f02%252f17&utm_source=scanshot&utm_medium=email

Need to see some benchmarks, shouldn't be long now.

8 core 16 thread CPU for that money, impressive and if the performance lives up to the hype then mighty impressive  :D

Those systems make mine look puny. I need to win the lottery so that i can upgrade. :P

It's OK Dave, CPU for say £320, mobo for £80, memory, well how much does one need.

8 core for the masses has arrived me thinks. Big shake up coming to the PC market.

Thank you AMD  :thumbsup:

Now for a bit of fun.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8JLBq4xoAw

   The Kaby Lake is out, now I'm waiting for the Coffee Lake that offers more improvements but the Cannon Lake has still more improvements and will be six cores.  Zen is out of the picture until they start selling it and they have a few years with the processor.
Carl2

I still does not make sense for me to change much, especially CPU - would mean MB and RAM too. It's coming up to two years since I got my 6 core and it is still doing all I need. I would be interested to see how my rig compares to these new beasts though.

hilarious video, Data. thanks for that. :)

  I just received a link to the Zen
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-ryzen-7-1700-1700x-1800x,33702.html
Pricing and pre orders are today. 
Ryzen 7 1800X ($499),   there are 3 versions available, the least expensive is $329 and the clock rate goes down with price.
The AMD is already being sole at Newegg, it seems Intel is getting over $1,000 for 8 cores.
Carl2

Quote from: Carl2 on February 24, 2017, 13:33:08 PM
it seems Intel is getting over $1,000 for 8 cores.
Carl2

Yes they are indeed, AMD are saying and have proved with some benchmarks that their R7 1800X CPU is faster and half the price of the Intel equivalent. 

Intel will have to drop their prices now, I can't see any other way for them.

When I started this thread I was hoping for a good result from AMD but now I think we have an excellent result.  ;D

Little note to Freddy, you might be able to pick up an Intel 8 core soon for less bucks.  :thumbsup:

Six is working fine  :D

Found this : http://hexus.net/tech/news/cpu/102826-amd-ryzen-cpu-pushed-beyond-52ghz-8-cores-video/

World record benchmark, very nice  :D

5.2 GHz, ok it was extreme cooling but it shows there is plenty of potential in the chip.

We know about the R7 chips then but AMD will also be releasing their R5 and R3 CPU's too, here is some leaked pricing and specs of what's to come, the 6 core R5's  look like they might be a nice sweet spot.

(https://linustechtips.com/main/uploads/monthly_2017_02/prices.PNG.62a1b15b03be3c1f38f7a862a87dae84.PNG)

  I just looked at Newegg for the AMD cpu's, only the 8 core Ryzens are displayed with earlier versions of AMD so they are pushing the higher priced 8 cores.  I didn't even realize they were making 6 and 4 core cpu's.
Intel still has the name we'll see how AMD does.
Carl2

I can't find any precise release date for the R5 and R3 but they are coming within the next few months.

Something else that stands out to me is the power consumption of these new chips, considerably lower than we have seen before. For me I would be looking at one of the 65w CPU's so probably the R5 1500 or the R7 1700. If I was to build myself a new PC then one of them would probably be my choice.

It isn't the right time for me to build though and obviously I would also need a new windows 10 disk and key, which just adds more cost.

 

  I had seen some remarks about Intel lowering prices on the internet but it hasn't happened at Newegg, Many years ago Intel got fined for price fixing with AMD.  It seems the computers are outdated so quickly although they do keep making improvements.
Carl2

Yes I agree Carl at the moment Intel haven't adjusted their prices, this might be something to do with the Ryzen performance that we are starting to see in benchmarks.

I've been watching and reading as many reviews as I can on these new CPU's and the results are interesting and not quite what many were expecting. 

Intel still has the highest clock speeds especially with their Kaby Lake cores, people can overclock them to 5Ghz, the result is faster single core performance over Ryzen. The AMD R7 CPU's only seem to be able to reach 4 to 4.2 GHz. 

However Ryzen takes a nice lead with multithreading, it is starting to look like AMD's hyperthreading or SMT is more effective than Intel's, software that requires multiple threads is running better on Ryzen.

  I keep thinking one could buy a Intel Core i7 6th Gen for a very good price and it would easily do the job for me, the problem is there would be no M.2 and they are already moving to a faster storage.
Carl2

Quote from: Carl2 on March 03, 2017, 14:01:18 PM
  I keep thinking one could buy a Intel Core i7 6th Gen for a very good price and it would easily do the job for me, the problem is there would be no M.2

No that isn't correct Carl Intel 6th gen also known as Skylake does fully support M.2.

You would be looking at a Z170 chipset motherboard with M.2 socket, like this one, there are also plenty of others out there.

http://www.ebuyer.com/727413-asus-z170-e-socket-1151-dvi-hdmi-8-channel-audio-atx-motherboard-90mb0p60-m0eay0

  I think we are talking about different things, I am speaking about a prebuilt computer, where the manufacturer put in there own stripped motherboard, low wattage power supply, ect.  I guess you could put in a new motherboard and pwr supply , maybe a graphics card and of course the M.2, all this for a Skylake, but I'm sure it cost a bit more when new.
Carl2

Ok my mistake Carl, just wanted to clear that up.

It looks like Intel are dropping their CPU prices to compete with AMD Ryzen.

This is good  :)

Intel AMD price war  (http://wccftech.com/intel-amd-price-war-ryzen-processors/)

 I'd already answered this but that's not here so I saw the link but it didn't work then, checking the links again show Micro has cut some prices which are not cut at Newegg, the numbers seem to be off and you don't save as much money as stated, I also noted they sell z170 motherboards for the
Kaby which should have the z270.
Carl2

I think this is down to the retailers Carl, over here on Ebuyer as I'm posting this the i7 7700k has been reduced from £373 to £325, a saving of nearly £50 and interestingly the i7 7700k is now almost the same price as the Ryzen 1700, and to my mind the Ryzen 1700 is a far better CPU with more cores, more threads and lower power consumption.

http://www.ebuyer.com/766075-intel-core-i7-7700k-4-20-ghz-socket-1151-8mb-cache-retail-boxed-processor-bx80677i77700k

It's still early days and we might see more of this from more retailers.

Information was correct at time of posting.

 You tube has quite a few builds on both the AMD and Intel cpu's if anyone is interested. 
Carl2

AMD will be releasing it's Ryzen Threadripper 1920X & 1950X CPU's soon, that's a 12 and 16 core monster respectively.

Here's a bit of info about it, along with some info on the baby R3 Ryzen. 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vTxJp7ortk

  It seems I have already been to You Tube on CPU's, seems it didn't make enough of an impression more than likely it probably just confused me.  Right now I'll stay with Intel until AMD proves themselves,
Carl2

The thing here is that the $1,000 price tag they listed doesn't include the cost of the new MoBo you'll also need to get, so you'd be looking at $1,200 to $1,500 to upgrade, at least. Personally, I'd wait at least 6 months to a year before pulling the trigger. by then the price could well be half that, or less. And by then maybe I'd be in a position to upgrade myself. Freddy, can you imagine how nice that setup would be for 3D rendering? :D

Very nice for that yes Dave - although I tend to do my renders solely on GPU now, at least in Daz, as with Iray it is a great deal faster. The two combined might be cool though.

I almost replied to this earlier and was going to say that there is that idea that things double in price every ten years - I don't know if this is true for tech though.

My first PC plus some other stuff was about £1000, so now (if you follow that rule) I would be looking at £4000 ish.

I spent about £500 two years back on my MB + 6 Core.

It seems to me that AMD have really helped move desktop computing along here, these Threadripper CPU's have gone to a whole new level but kept the price reasonable compared to the opposition.

The R5 6 core CPU's seem to be the best mid range bang for bucks CPU's available, if I was going to build myself a new rig tomorrow it would be an R5 1600 with 16 GIG of 3000Mhz DDR4 and a Samsung M.2. That would come in at a far more reasonable price, for me anyway  :D

  There are lots of vids to look at, watched quite a few not that much info making that much sense to me, too much info.  like looking at the water with to many large waves, best to let the water settle down and maybe it will make sense.  Is Intel scared, god who thought of that one.
Carl2

2nd-gen Ryzen is coming soon, officially launching in April 2018.

Main features:

12nm. 

Lower power consumption.

Something around 10% performance gain.

Higher clock speeds.

No known security vulnerabilities.

Also AMD have dropped their prices again on Ryzen chips.

More info:
https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd-ryzen-2-release-date-specs-performance

A bit late for me since I've invested in Coffee lake and I'm very happy with it.  Nice to see Intel is using the Vega Radeon Video in it's latest version of chips, its a bit unfortunate that the latest processors use only 4 cores rather than staying with six.  It seems performance and economics are still the main factors used for decisions.
Carl2

Just so we all know, 2nd-gen Ryzen has arrived, I've been watching some benchmark videos, the performance is as expected, no huge improvements over the 1st gen but improvements all the same.

Better memory support.

Around 10% performance gain, give or take.

Slightly more clock speeds but only about 200 MHz.

A step in the right direction for sure but nothing ground braking.     

  I got some e mail from Toms Hardware on the Ryzen 8 cores and 16 threads at a reasonable price, high boost clocks above 4.1 Ghz.  New chipset for the mother boards for these Cpu's.
Carl2

To keep the news up-to-date about AMD CPU's - the second gen Threadripper CPU's are just about here now, the flag ship being 32 cores and 64 threads, go go AMD  :thumbsup:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6FqTylgCB_A

I feel we are talking super computers, something NASA might use in it's space program.  Nice to see AMD is doing well with there processors.
Carl2
 

I've got to post this as I think it's quite big news:

QuoteAMD CPU sales top Intel once more

Are the tides turning once more ?

https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd-cpu-sales-beat-intel-processors

I quickly read the article, 51% for AMD vs 49% for Intel but Intels Core i9
9900K 8 core 16 thread may give Intel sales a boost. It can run about 5 Ghz. Price is about $580, for me this is a super computer we used to read about.
Carl2

From that it seems like they are neck and neck and one goes ahead a little as they launch a new range. I think that's a healthy way for things to be.

It's 3 years 3 months since I got my 6 core Intel, I see no reason to replace it yet though.

I wanted to see how things are in the CPU world. Found a little article giving an overview, thought it might interest others as AMD does well.

https://www.techradar.com/uk/news/best-processors

Comparing my now 4 year old rig with the Ryzen 2700X I can't see much benefit from a new build just yet:

https://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Intel-Core-i7-5820K-vs-AMD-Ryzen-7-2700X/2579vs3958

But if I were building one today that would probably be the one I picked. They love it on Amazon:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/AMD-Ryzen-Processor-Wraith-Cooler/dp/B07B428M7F

Ryzen 3000 series are coming soon, I would hold fire until they arrive, leaked specs suggests quit a big step forward.

Ohh, I'm not really thinking of a new build just yet. Good advice though :)

I just wanted to see if I am missing anything  ;D

The new Ryzen 3xxx is here, this video tells all, it's amazing value for money, quick and efficient.

I've added a poll to this thread, place your votes  :thumbsup:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ke3OnFlOUnI

Looks good  8)

I voted undecided as I can't see me needing one. If I were buying today I would get one though. I'll see how much longer this build lasts - I'm surprised the liquid cooler is still going strong - I bet now I said that the thing will go belly up.

  Intel has just released it's newest version CPU, 
Carl2

This is quite big news, AMD bring 7nm to laptops putting some serious computing power in a mobile machine. These things will be quicker than most peoples desktops  :o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGUESEq75ZI

Interesting, I was thinking of getting a lappy as a back up machine  8)

I thought you might be interested  :)

Just got to hold fire until the 4000 series of chips start getting put in the laptops, shouldn't be long now, the 6 core Ryzen 5's should be a nice bang for bucks option, in the vid he's only showing the 8 core.

It's a bit confusing but the mobile 3000 chips are only the equivalent of the desktops 2000 chips, to get 7nm in a laptop you need the 4000 mobile Ryzen.

Cool, thanks for the info  :thumbsup:

Looking at the price of the already existing Ryzen lappys, I'm thinking this new one will be a bit too much to spend on what would be a backup machine. I think I will wait and see if it causes the older ones to drop in price.

Indeed the smart money might be on the previous gen  :thumbsup:

Things still not looking good for Intel, their new CPU's ( Comet Lake ) will be 14nm.

QuoteIntel 10th Gen Comet Lake Processor as Fast as AMD Ryzen 7 3800X?
Early Benchmarks Point to Twice the Power Draw

https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/news/intel-10th-gen-comet-lake-vs-amd

This is a good read, it explains the current situation in the CPU market ( it focuses on mid range CPU's, what most people buy ).

AMD Ryzen 5 3600X vs Intel Core i5-9600K: Mid-Range Rumble (https://www.tomshardware.com/uk/features/amd-ryzen-5-3600x-vs-intel-core-i5-9600k)

Well I'm really coming from the past so what I say doesn't matter much but I always went for Intel's I 7 line.
Carl2

The new AMD Ryzen laptop CPU has arrived and it's a huge step forward with much lower power consumption. 

QuoteAMD Ryzen 9 4900HS Review, Move Aside Intel, Your Days of Laptop Domination Are Over

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y9JcW_LtXH8

This is pretty impressive.

AMD release a new entry level CPU, 4 core 8 thread is now entry level.

Thanks AMD  8)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CjljqrIg8Vc

As time goes by I'm getting more and more impressed with AMD and their new strategy and technology, it's looking like they are seriously going to take the crown from Intel and possibly Nvidia too. 

The New Ryzen 5000 series of CPU's is just around the corner and it is mighty.

AMD's new RX 6000 series of GPU's looks to be on-par with Nvidia's 3000 series for less money and less power consumption.

I will be posting some performance videos in this thread at some point.

Watch this space.

All I know is that I'm glad that I listened to Data and Freddy when they highly recommended I look into getting an SSD on my next computer.

Thanks again, guys. It has been highly worth the investment! Best and fastest Laptop I've ever owned!!

I got my first SSD in 2011, still have it in my PC as a storage drive for games and it's working perfectly, unless you get a bad one (which can happen with all PC components) they have a longer life than HDD too.

I can't remember when I got my first one.

They also generate less heat, take up less space and are silent  8)

The new Ryzen 5000 series of CPU's are here, I said I would post some benchmarks, hold on to your seats, AMD have eaten Intel for breakfast here in both single and multicore.

Skip this video to 3:50 for the results.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dX130FUy4jk

 

Just for a laugh  :LOL:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZBIeM2zE-I

AMD have just announced another leap in CPU technology ( 3D V-Cache ), it's real and it's coming.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMcn-npviGA

Still happy with my PC here  ;D

Good to know AMD are still pushing things along though  :thumbsup:

Just have to post this  :o

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tbiPapykbxQ

Wowsers!  :o 8)

Pretty good set up, I don't think I need anything that Quick and the Price.
Carl2

Of course, it's the latest in the Biggest, Fastest, Strongest, Priciest, blah...blah...thing to surface.

Now, I'm simply at the point in my life where I just don't care about that race any longer!

My stuff runs very nicely at the moment so if it ain't broke, I'm not going to fix it!

For those who choose to chase that elusive creature, best of luck! :thumbsup:

For me it's more about keeping up with the knowledge of the new hardware, I like to know what's going on so when I do need to get a new PC I make the best choice.

The AMD EPYC video isn't about a CPU for home use, it's a server chip but it uses AMD's chiplet design which is extremely flexible, the same chiplets but less of them are used in their desktop and laptop CPU's and now in all the game consoles too. 

It seems that every time I post a video like this it gets replies of people saying something like,

"I'm happy with my PC and don't need to change"   :LOL:

I'm not posting them to make people upgrade I'm posting them for educational reasons.

Hey! this website is all about tech after all  ;)

  I started saying some time ago that it has gotten to the point that we have begun making super computers.  It took a while to get past the hard drive  and then they began putting in SSD's.  maybe we have reached the point where the majority of CPU's are fast enough for a good computer.  At the same time Win 11 is said to make a faster OS.  It 30 years to get the led light out of the Lab and into the house and cars.
Carl2

I'm probably not going to buy one even though it would pop straight into my motherboard but look at this serious gaming CPU.

Ryzen 5800X3D, this is the one with the 3D cache, a huge jump in performance  :o


https://youtu.be/2HqE03SpdOs

Just to keep things up-to-date - AMD have started releasing their 7000 series Ryzen CPU's based on 5nm tech, again some huge performance increases here but a new motherboard is needed to run them.

Much more info in the video. 


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_WubXd2tXOA