By the way, after swapping out the fans both card are running around 30-35°C, right up until I start playing Trove. then the card that holds the Trove window shoots up to 60-60°C - Not horrible, but hotter than I like.
Older cards or newer cards ?
If your graphical demands are quite low then maybe something like this...
http://www.ebuyer.com/704282-gigabyte-geforce-gtx-750-ti-2gb-gddr5-dual-link-dvi-hdmi-pci-e-gv-n75td5-2gi
That same card over here is over $200USD, but it would certainly handle my needs. Thanks, Freddy. :)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA4UB20U6181
That's surprising, especially as how Sterling has declined recently. I suggest shopping around if it's of interest - you might also find another brand doing the same thing.
Quote from: DaveMorton on November 21, 2016, 14:01:17 PM
By the way, after swapping out the fans both card are running around 30-35°C, right up until I start playing Trove. then the card that holds the Trove window shoots up to 60-60°C - Not horrible, but hotter than I like.
To my mind that temp is perfectly ok :thumbsup:
When gaming in FO4 and W3 my temps go up to 70c on the GPU without a problem and AMD themselves say you are fine up to 80c.
Stick with what you have Dave, if you are only going to be playing low graphical demanding games.
I think that the cards I'm using are on their way out, Data. I frequently get random artifacture popping up, not to mention the occasional thermal crash. No more BSOD since I switched to Windows 10, but it still crashes from time to time.
I do have another option, but it's a decided downgrade. I have a pair of 512MB PCIE 2.0 cards that I could toss in, if necessary, but I'd rather put up with the artifacture right now.
If you only get the random artifacts popping up while gaming then you could underclock the cards to help stabilize them for a bit.
From what you are saying though it does sound like one of the cards might be faulty, unlikely to be both, one would think.
I noticed the cards Dave & Freddy posted were very similar but Dave's one is the Over Clocked version. Although the core and boost speeds seem the same.
In my experience, artefacts from your graphics card are a sign the memory is corrupt, normally due to overheating. Often just one part of one chip so crashes are random. One card could well be ok.
Well I've swapped the locations of the cards due to how the jury-rigged fans are mounted, so we'll see how it goes, but I haven't had much time for gaming of late, so I haven't noticed anything yet. Again, we'll see. :)
Well spotted Snowy, that would explain some of the price difference.
The Black Friday deals have already started here Dave - I guess it will be the same over there. What used to be one day became two, then a long weekend and now a week it seems. But now is the time to look for deals :)
Actually, the "Black Friday" specials and sales started here on Monday, and many are in effect all the rest of the month. It's strange to see how that sale event has grown like a can... Oops? Insensitive of me. Sorry. ...grown like a pernicious weed.
I thought it was probably like that.
I think I am about to splurge £340 on a GTX1070 I just found. ;D
I did it, too good to miss ;D
Went for Asus in the end : https://www.asus.com/Graphics-Cards/TURBO-GTX1070-8G/
Picked up for £340 and got about £20 in Nectar Points as eBay are running a 10x points offer. So £320 in the end.
Read a few reviews on NewEgg first and some others, which were positive. Was a little concerned about the single fan, but I do like these exhaust cards so most of the heat will go out the back. My case is well ventilated for any heat remaining, reviews said they don't get too hot - around 70C on average. Also has two HDMI ports so I will be able to dispense with the adapter I had bought to run Rift and just plug it all into the card.
Right I am done spending !
Found this on my travels... really makes me wonder why get a 1080 when the 1070 gives 60fps+ most of the time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xstSxlqim0s
And this, which I am not sure about, but appears to be my card keeping up with a Titan X...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOuYmJd4uQE
Congrats there Freddy :)
Good price in the end, finally someone here has reached the dizzy heights of 8 GIG VRAM.
Should serve you well for a good few years this one :thumbsup:
Thanks and yes, I'm looking to get some life out of this one. Thinking of putting the 970 on eBay for £170, which would get me back about £150 if that works out.
With Daz having the Iray renderer working in beta for a while now I should be good to go.
Overall it's much better spending a third of the cost of a Titan X for the same bang.
Not a big card, but I thought this looks pretty neat.
http://hexus.net/tech/news/graphics/99631-single-slot-his-radeon-rx-460-graphics-card-revealed/
Looks nice but too underpowered for me, if I was in the market for a new card today think I would go for the RX 470, it's fast enough to max out games @ 1080 and the 8 GIG VRAM would be good for game modding purposes.
http://www.ebuyer.com/753949-sapphire-radeon-rx-470-nitro-8gb-gddr5-dvi-d-hdmi-displayport-pci-e-graphics-11256-02-20g
Saying that my RX 270 is still holding it's own, if and when I get a game that it can't run then that's the time for my up-grade. Unless I suddenly get a shed load of cash then I might just up-grade for the hell of it.
Yeah I only dropped it in because it was new and thought it might interest you for your customers or something. I know you like to keep up to date :)
Truth be told the majority of people these days don't need a card, the onboard graphics is easily good enough. Which makes me wonder why these low end cards are even made these days :scratch-head:
It's a strange one :-\
True, even for a compact home cinema box you can get away with onboard...
I'll scratch my head too :scratch-head:
I just noticed that the RX 470 I posted has 4 HDMI on it, hint hint to Dave ;)
Not according to the specs below : 2 x DP / 2 x HDMI / 1 x DVI-D
DP do look a bit like HDMI though at that angle.
This is what they are calling part of VR ready, so you can have the headset in one HDMI and your monitor(s) in the others. I've had to use an HDMI switch for mine, because I was worried about constantly pulling it out (sorry constable) and pushing it back in again (sorry again).
Yes looks like you are right Freddy, I was going from a customers review:
Quoteexcellent video quality
4 HDMI ports and DVI-D port
An adapter would be needed.
Quote from: Freddy on November 25, 2016, 14:00:52 PM
I was worried about constantly pulling it out (sorry constable) and pushing it back in again (sorry again).
:LOL: you are forgiven.
:D
Was curious about the price of adapters, not as cheap as I though they might be...
https://www.amazon.co.uk/CSL-DisplayPort-Certified-gold-plated-contacts/dp/B00KCLL8T4/ref=sr_1_8
I'm guessing Dave would need two of them.
I wonder if I have any, I'll take a look in the bottomless box of cables and gubbins.
Nope the cupboard is bare. Just a DP to MiniDP I think it is.
I have a few DVI to HDMI adapters here but no DP variants. Never had to convert DP yet but in the past DVI to HDMI has always worked when I needed them.
These looks quite nice to convert DP to HDMI.
DP plug to HDMI socket (https://www.amazon.co.uk/DisplayPort-Converter-Connecter-transmission-Projectors/dp/B01AC5KQCE/ref=sr_1_14?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1480090689&sr=1-14&keywords=dp+to+hdmi)
The adaptors aren't all that expensive, but the card that triggered the pricing of them is. Still, thanks for sending suggestions my way. I'm still looking. :)
Found this which has 3 x HDMI, 1 x DP and 1 x DVI.
http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=6062#kf
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125918
A good brand, new generation and price seems okay and no need for adaptors maybe.
That's a nice card, Freddy. I'll carefully consider it. I like the thermal control features, especially the counter-rotating fans and the fan blade design. Very innovative, I think. Thanks for that. :)
Looks like I'll be exercising one of my "last resort" options today. One of the cards is getting up to 80+ degrees when I have a game open. And it's now not making a difference which monitor the game is on. the same card starts overheating each time I have a game open. The other card also gets hot, but only up to 60 degrees, and only when the open game is on one of its monitors. So it's time to take these cards out and downgrade to a pair of lesser cards (which I have) until January, when I can maybe get a usable card that can handle 4 displays.
Dave, I don't know that much about it but Win 10 does support multiple graphics cards for any make or model, you can basically put any GPU with another GPU with no need for an x-fire bridge.
You might want to google it.
I haven't used the crossfire connection since I found out that doing so "turned off" the second card's displays, so that won't matter. the only concern at this point is that the cards that I have are REALLY puny, and may end up dipping into the single digit range FPS. If that's the case, then no games for me until I can get a new card.
Don't try this at home chaps :o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7oX8AUsumM
It's A Sad Time To Be A Gamer
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZpVnHYHbUs
I think it's completely shameful, and I feel utterly helpless to change it. What hurts is that I'll be in the market for new graphics hardware soon, and I don't want to be stuck with crap like what I'm currently running. Even cards that aren't suitable for mining are affected by this, since many gamers are snapping up the older, lower performance stuff.
Indeed Dave :(
I don't even see an end to this problem, people can be greedy :very-angry:
I know this, I have underclocked my GPU in an attempt to make it last longer.
That's probably a good idea. I'm quite confident that the "cryptocurrency bubble" will pop, and probably at some point this year, but it will take a long time for the market to stabilize. However, before it does (though who knows exactly when) the price of video cards will plummet to the point where a dirt cheap used 1080ti will be a found everywhere. I look forward to that day. :)
Quote from: DaveMorton on February 06, 2018, 18:39:10 PM
the price of video cards will plummet to the point where a dirt cheap used 1080ti will be a found everywhere. I look forward to that day. :)
I never thought of that, yeah once this bubble is over GPU bargains might be easy to find. :fingers-crossed:
I've been looking at video cards for a while, better ones have been sold, No 1070, a 1060 with 3G memory is selling at high prices. AMD vega is out, I saw something at 3,000 maybe the vega card. I heard they will have some cards out soon. I can get a card that if I spend 500 within 90 days I get 150 back, that would be nice.
Carl2
I was talking with a client of mine about this, and was told that in the past week the average price of cryptocurrency has dropped by more than 50%, so it appears that the bubble is already in the process of bursting CBS News (https://www.cbsnews.com/news/bitcoin-cryptocurrency-prices-hit-reverse/) seems to bear this out, at least a little. The client thinks that within the next month we're going to be seeing eBay prices for used middle- to top-end cards fall to scary low prices, and in huge quantities. Let's hope I have some duckets to spend when the crash is complete. :)
hopefully the past is wrong but crypto currencies usually bounces down and then bounces back even higher.
I still do not know why there using gaming cards instead of a workstation card that mine 10 fold, sure the cost upfront would be more for them but they would be mining more cyrpto currencies
I hope the bubble does burst - or why don't AMD and Nvidia just make more cards - they'd make a mint. Or maybe they think if people will pay double it saves them making more for the same money. :scratch-head:
The one I got for £330 is double that when it's in stock atm - insane.
Gigabyte 1070 selling for 700 at B&H, lucky to even find one. Newegg has the 1070's starting at 850 going to 1000 and the 1060's not far behind for price.
Radeon Vega starts at 1000. Prices seem unbelievable to me. Lots of very low priced older cards but I wouldn't want to use any of them. Guess a shortage help the seller to clear the shelves.
Carl2
Looks like the trend of increased prices has trickled down to the low end cards now. Remember that $30 card I bought a couple of months ago on Amazon? Well I just bought another one, same model, same specs, same supplier, NOT the same price. It was 50 quid this time! :o
but it will be here today, so I can get my four displays back. I'll just call it a win and suck it up. :)
So very happy for you :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Dave, hope the new card all works out for you.
When will this mining stop though, seriously it's very bad news for us normal PC owners and gamers :(
The new AMD Vega cards are selling for $1000, The Gforce 1080 with 11 Gb is selling for $1250. Ridiculous prices, most people buy computers for half that price. I keep hearing that prices will settle down but haven't seen that happening over the past few months. the worst part is that it's like a car as soon as you buy it it is worth half the price.
Carl2
The new card is working well, and I'm beyond chuffed that I'm back to four displays. :thumbsup:
All I can say about the price of graphics cards is that they won't drop till the "bitcoin bubble" bursts, and who knows when that will be... :-\
I just came across a Geforce GTX 285, I'm not familiar with the outputs but I found a connector at Newegg that should get me to the monitor, It also has a 2 pin connector that goes some where in the computer and two 6 pin connectors to the PS. Guess I could use it till I can get a newer one. Filled with dust, I have to open it.
Carl2
The GTX 285 was a great card in it's day, still pretty good considering it's 8 years old now, but the main drawback is it's shader type, it only supports up to DirectX 10, where as your onboard graphics supports DirectX 10, 11 and 12.
It's also a hungry card for power consumption taking 180 watts :o
Personally I think the onboard is better.
Well I was able to open it up, it has a blower motor, blades covered with dust, inlet to the heat sink 80 to 90 % covered with dust, thermal compound close to dried and hard.
To get Direct X 12 I have to go to the 1050, MSI, 75 W 4 GB mem $250.
Rather strange 3 new and no reviews for it.
Carl2
The GTX 250 is all cleaned and put back together, I left a lot of screws out since it needs new thermal paste. I'm kind of curious about it, don't plan on using it. Not sure what to do about a card for the coffee lake, it feels like your being robbed buying a card at twice the price than it originally sold for.
Carl2
Ask yourself what you need the GPU for then go from there is my advice. It sounds like, from your usage, you may as well save the money and use on-board; unless you plan on doing graphics work or play the more demanding of modern games.
I just go by "this computer will have a graphics card" and go from there. In my early days with computers I ran across programs that said I can't do that and thought I should have bought a better version of the program. I actually don't know what I'll be doing but if I decide to do or try something I want the computer to be able to do it. It's very frustrating to look for cards that are not in stock and prices that are double the original cost. I waited a year or two for the coffee lake release, maybe I'll do that with the card. Nvidia is going to the Amperage but AMD's Vega is selling for $1000 and higher so maybe this is a price increase.
Carl2
Quote from: Carl2 on February 21, 2018, 13:51:21 PM
I actually don't know what I'll be doing but if I decide to do or try something I want the computer to be able to do it.
Than you should be fine with the onboard graphics, it's not like in the old days when the onboard didn't support 3d acceleration, now it fully supports it up the latest standard. As I've said before the onboard is now better than an entry level graphics card. Really it is Carl :)
EDIT:
However if you are still not convinced, and I don't think you are, then the GTX 1030 could be an option, it supports the latest standards like the onboard does but is faster:
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA2F85VV1064
You can get the same card from Amazon for a few dollars less, and might be able to send a penny or two Data's way, Carl.
https://www.amazon.com/ASUS-PH-GT1030-O2G-GeForce-Phoenix-Graphics/dp/B071JV26GH/ref=sr_1_2
Really not a big thing since I do have the onboard graphics but lots of people are pretty upset about the current situation. As I mentioned tis frustrating to see not in stock and not available in Worcester. I didn't even know how really bad it was till I read this article.
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/ethereum-effect-graphics-card-prices,34928.html
The best example would be the new AMD Vega meant to sell for $400 is being sold for 1000.. According to the article the 1030 should sell for 70, Thanks for the info Dave, I was able to copy and post my thread.
Carl2
Prices seem stable at Newegg, all over priced but nothing new there, trying to wait till April and hope they come down but so far it just means new cards are also carrying the overprice. I'd like to get the 1070 but that's double the price or the 1060 so I'll probably with the lower price.
Carl2
A couple of weeks back someone mentioned that if the bubble burst then we might see a lot of cheap second hand cards. It struck me the other day, that whilst this may come to pass, I don't think I would buy a card that may have been used for mining. They overclock and run those things 24/7 full whack pretty much I bet.
So all that heat...and due to it they fill large warehouses in Iceland as it works out cheaper than running the cooling in a more temperate climate. Serious computing power.
But anyway, I think I would still buy a new card over a second hand one. So it's a matter of waiting and hoping.
That's a really good point, Freddy. Still, for me I think it may well be worth the risk, at least in the short term. I won't be broke forever, but the hole I'm in will take a long time to get out of, so I'm still looking for a short term solution, and unless the market for new cards undergoes a drastic change, this may well be my only option when the time comes.
Yes short term might be okay. I'm always a bit iffy about second hand kit, I generally avoid it these days if I can afford to. For a long time all my PCs were second hand parts.
If and when the bubble does burst we should see a big drop in new GPU prices too, however if you could get two used for the price of one new than it might be worth a punt, It's all going to come down to cost.
I'm with Freddy about the second hand kit, however I would seriously consider a used CPU, they just seem so reliable these days, most other components fail more often. CPU's end up in the bin still working.
I'm really not convinced that the bubble will burst any time soon, cryptocurrency is here to stay :(
Back in the old days I bought a second hand TV, didn't work and couldn't get it to work. I buy new and won't go for a refurbished. I'm seeing the same old GPU's for sale at the same prices, rather funny when a new AMD Vega just off the line sell for tripple the price it was ment to sell for.
Carl2
newegg sells gpu's around retail price but you have to click under sellers tab and choose newegg. you also have to select auto notify for they do not last long.
I've looked at B&H and Best Buy, both of them seem to have very little selection. Newegg has a much better selection but according to a Toms Hardware review the prices are higher than the original price.
Carl2
I checked the prices here in the UK today, all cards seem to be at least 2x and some are 3x the original retail prices :very-angry:
I'm honestly upset about them charging double or more, I feel like I'm being robbed. A 1070 is to high and thought about the 1060, now I'm looking at the 1050, to me it is wasted money, a few years and it's worthless. Oh the 1050 is only 75 W which I like.
Carl2
It looks like there "might" be some light at the end of the tunnel, apparently there is a limited amount of bitcoin that can be mined, once they hit that the bubble might burst :fingers-crossed:
In the meantime the miners are using vast amounts of elasticity, damaging the environment (this was not why wind turbines have been installed) and killing off PC gaming.
This vid explains some of it:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6q5mUNEEn2c
That's not going to be any time soon, Data. According to the video, there are a total of just under 21 million bitcoins that can ever be "created" (mined? whatever). However, according to coincentral.com (https://coincentral.com/how-many-bitcoins-are-left/) there are currently only about 4.3 million that have been mined since its inception. Another cryptocurrency site (https://www.express.co.uk/finance/city/895187/bitcoin-price-how-many-bitcoin-are-there-when-will-cryptocurrency-token-run-out) estimates that we won't run out of bitcoin to mine until the year 2140, though it will cease to be profitable to mine them long before that time. It could well be that this "bubble" will not be quick to pop, given that. The real question here is when will it no longer be profitable to GPU mine any cryptocurrency. I suspect that date is still a very long way off, indeed. :sign-sad:
Thanks for the analysis Dave, I was looking, hoping for an end to this mining and thought I had found some light at the end of the tunnel, turns out I was trying too hard.
It really isn't going to end any time soon is it :(
Quote from: Data on March 25, 2018, 10:08:32 AMI was looking, hoping for an end to this mining...
We all are, Data. We all are.
Perhaps we should consider collaborating on a project to write an open letter to the collective manufacturers of video cards, appealing to their better angels, to ask them to not give in to the greed. It's entirely possible for them to sell their products at a fair price, but with strict limits on quantity and frequency (something like no more than 2 cards per purchase, per month, per address, and that from a special website). Sure, there would still be ways to get around that, and there would also be individuals/small businesses who would be hurt by such a restriction, but no more so than having to pay the outrageous prices that now prevail in the current market. The GPU manufacturers would make a
little less profit, but they would also benefit from an enormous amount of goodwill from the gaming community. Perhpas this idea is a bit naive, but it's also hopeful.
I just watched a movie on Hulu last night about Cody Wilson who distributed plans to make a 3 D printable plastic gun and ran into problems with the government and sued the government. He also got into the bit coin thing and went a bit further with Dark Wallet. It seems we have enough people with free time and free money to play with the system and create their own banking system rather than support the existing ones. Lord knows there will still be drug traffic and money laundering and their providing a safer way to do this.
Since new AMD Vegas are selling at such high prices I'm begining to thine the manufactures are just loving the prices we face. They are also selling less cards because of the video being in the processors.
Carl2
Open letters or petitions can work. I've signed a few things, we just had a success with getting Tesco to ban plastic straws.
Imagine how many frustrated gamers there are out there.
I noticed that the miners don't use any of the out-puts ( HDMI or DVI ) on the cards, AMD and NVidia could probably make some cut down cards for the miners that are just number crunchers, they could probably get away with less VRam, no out-puts and some other components could be removed.
They wouldn't even be graphics cards, maybe that could help the situation.
Just a thought.
Actually, I think you might just be onto something there, Data, though I'm quite certain that someone else has already thought of it. Still, making cards that are purpose-built for mining would likely cost less to make (though only slightly so) and have a lower power requirement (though again, only slightly lower) than standard cards. the problem there is the R&D cost, and the cost of tooling up a production line, which would mean a considerable investment, and one that would be guaranteed to be a limited run, even if that run is millions of units over the span of a few years. Plus, they would have to hire a new workforce of skilled workers. My guess is that nobody wants to take the risk of a short-lived bubble.
Only a rumour : https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2018/03/07/rumor-motherboard-maker-asrock-to-produce-amd-based-mining-gpus/
The DRAM shortage he mentions doesn't help.
Good find Freddy :thumbsup:
I'm not saying they will do it but they should consider making number crunching cards, looks like it might happen.
It shouldn't be that hard to make them, they are quick at making new cards when a new GPU is released and they are always bringing out tweaked versions of cards. They could do it quite easily, I reckon.
Yeah it certainly seems like something they could do. I don't know how bad this DRAM shortage is this time. Wasn't it a factory getting flooded a few years ago that caused the last hike ? In my mind I think RAM was about double what I was expecting to pay for M&Ds machine.
I can't see crypto currency going away in the short term, there's a lot of money piled into it. Dave says a bubble and yes I think that's probably right, but still maybe long enough for the big players to take advantage of it, and in doing so free up our precious GPUs. So glad I got in quick this time around.
NVIDIA - Founders Edition GeForce GTX 1070 8GB $429, I just found this at Best Buy, I'll call latter when they open it they have it I'll buy it. The 1080 is 589 but I'll settle for the 1070, at last some reasonable prices.
Carl2
I couldn't get a person when calling Best Buy so I stopped in. It wasn't on the counter and couldn't be ordered. To good to be true is it seems.
Walmart now has a better selection than before on graphic cards. I'll wait a while longer and if worse comes to worst I'll go with the 1060 Everything just gets old and useless anyways.
You know how I feel about a GPU for your PC Carl, you don't need one, saying that the 1060 would be easily good enough for you.
QuoteIf you are a PC enthusiast or gamer who has been putting off a GPU upgrade due to current market pricing we might have some good news for you.
https://hexus.net/business/news/components/116612-amd-stock-downgraded-due-imminent-eth-asic-miner-release/
I'm beginning to think prices are coming down and a greater selection is in stock, EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 GAMING, 8GB GDDR5, DX12 for $470 at Newegg sold and shipped by Spytech, also it has a blower motor so the heat is blown out of the case. There was a time when you couldn't even find a 1070. A good 1060 6 Gb sells for 439, this has two fans but getting all the hot air out of the case could be difficult.
Carl2
Prices were down when I looked for my card on Amazon the other day too.
What does the GPU do with the temps in your case, if I remember right you use water cooling where I use air cooling. The AMD Vega's are still pricy and Nvidia is coming out with new models.
Carl2
It doesn't add much to the temp as it's the sort of cooler that vents directly out the back. My chassis temps were about 24-26C when I had the thermometer, probably about the same now. I went for the vented heat as I use it for rendering and didn't want the heat left in the case as it could be rendering up to an hour or more on some things, especially animations.
The only thing that is water cooled in my PC is the CPU.
Yes the prices may have gone down a bit, but they are still far too much to pay atm.
So it has a blower fan and is what I'm looking at, it is said they will run a little hotter but is good because it moves the heat out of the case. If you consider these cards are old the prices are high but over all they are available now, I hope the trend continues.
Carl2
This is my one : https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01IF66QAI
It was at £600-700 a week or so back. So it's come down a bit - nowhere near the £350 ish I paid when it was released though.
Prices do seem to be moving in the right direction but still silly at the moment.
I just checked Newegg and the 1070 for $470 is gone, reading that the blower motor can cause the gpu to cut back on performance. Pretty much the same cards as usual
Carl2
I have a feeling the graphics cards have settled down and are about as low as they will be, I'll probably go with the 1070
Carl2
In the UK the 1070 is still really expensive, they were £350 but are now around the £500 mark :o
Typical example:
https://www.ebuyer.com/750762-msi-geforce-gtx-1070-aero-8g-oc-8gb-gddr5-graphics-card-gtx-1070-aero-8g-oc
About $500 in the US, I'm thinking of this one
https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814127948
a turbo fan that blows the exhaust out the back end, not sure I heard it runs a little hotter than the regular fan type. The 1060 would probably do but it deserves a 1070. I remember when you couldn't even find a 1070.
Carl2
That was funny then Carl, we both picked the exact same card :D
It is noted for being a good card for the money, to bad the Vega cards are so expensive.
Carl2
Given that we're still seeing some overpricing, I think it's more a case of "good money for the card", but that's just my opinion. :P
Perhaps I'm just jealous that I can't afford to get new, proper cards for my machine? :-\
Carl if you don't mind me asking, what is it that you can't do with the onboard graphics ?
Since I started on the Peltier I haven't even turned on the coffee lake. I'm using a 300 w HP power supply to power the Peltier. What I can't do is put in a graphics card and see if that causes a heating problem and if it does I'll separate the lower portion housing the graphics from the top portion where the CPU is with plastic or something, add an opening for a vent or what ever. So why do I need a Peltier or why do I need the coffee lake.
Carl2
For $20 dollars more I can get the Evga 1070 Ti also with a blower fan. I've heard it is worthwhile to go with the Ti version if you don't have to pay a lot more.
Carl2
Really like the 1070 Ti , I'll buy it today or maybe on Monday, no sense saving a bit of money with the 1060 but always wishing you spent a bit more.
Carl2
For just $20 more yes I agree it's a no brainer :thumbsup:
Spent a little more EVGA GeForce GTX 1070 Ti GAMING 08G-P4-5678-KR 8GB GDDR5 SC HYBRID & LED, I like the hybrid water cool since these video cards always get clogged with dust. It still has the blower fan but water cooling should keep the temp down. Both the blower and Hybrid cooling are extras that would be added to the price. spent more than I wanted but I like the benefits I've gotten. the computer can't be beat once I get the Pletiers going.
Carl2
Tracking says the package will be delivered tomorrow, 2 days time is really quick. Not in a rush for it anyways probably a few days before I get the radiator in place. I'm sure they have fans with thermistors on them, I have water cool options on the motherboard but would rather leave them as they are for now since water cooling is for the GPU not the CPU.
Carl2
The video card arrived yesterday, I unboxed and looked through the manuals that came with it, there is also a DVD included. I'd like the fan and radiator mounted outside the computer but I'm not sure it that can be done.
Carl2
Looks like the prices are still coming down, this new vid has some analyses of the situation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0fRf6pCxmrk
So it seems that Nvidia will be coming out with a new series of cards in July. I think the phones are using up a lot of the memory so prices will stay on the higher side. I still have to get my graphics card put in.
Carl2
I just read that Nvidia will have a new series of the 1180 in September, starting prices will start at $999 for the lower cost versions, 8 to 16 Gb memory. Intel is going to get into making GPUs again, quite a few years away, maybe 2020.
Carl2
If you have any links then drop them in Carl :thumbsup:
If GPUs are going to be that much I won't be buying again for a long long time.
Freddy,
A link to Toms Hardware, it will cover the 1180 and also the Vega's.
Also a best buy for 2018 graphics cards and Intel GPU's coming in 2020.
During the shortage they were selling already out dated graphic cards way over priced. At Newegg prices seem to have come down to where they should be, even the 1080's are where they should be starting at $500.
Carl2
$500 is about £380 so yes more like they should be. At least over the pond anyway :LOL:
Over here they are floating around the £500 mark still and that's just the cheapest ones : https://www.scan.co.uk/shop/computer-hardware/gpu-nvidia/nvidia-geforce-gtx-1080
My 1070 was £340 and currently those float around the £400 mark upwards over here.
My particular card today: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B01IF66QAI/?coliid=I1JDMW5TKLXQET&colid=O3LJM63KH1I0&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it
I paid a bit more but got the TI version with a water loop. I was a bit concerned about adding more heat in the case and the water loop removed that potential problem so it was worth it for me. I still have to get the Peltiers working on it. Pretty busy lately keeping up with the house and car, lots of small things that take up time.
Carl2
I can say it's a safe bet that I won't be getting any of the new NVidia cards :LOL:
https://www.scan.co.uk/shops/nvidia/geforce-rtx-graphics-cards
LOL Yeah a safe bet, these cards just don't feel like value for money anymore, has to be said.
It seems Nvidia has 3 cards out, the RTX 2080 TI at $1200, the RTX 2080 at $799 and the RTX 2070 at $599. The big thing seems to be the ray tracing. 260 watts for the first card the last card is about 175 watts. Which seems a lot to me. My computer will probably die with the same card in it.
It was said third party makers will probably sell for less.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/nvidia-rtx-2080-ti-2070-price-specs-release,37647.html
Carl2
20th September for the top two cards apparently and later for the cheaper ( :o ) one. At around double the price of the last generation they are taking the proverbial I think.
Well, today was the day. And no surprises on the bleed us dry prices from Nvidia:
https://www.scan.co.uk/shop/computer-hardware/gpu-nvidia/nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-graphics-cards
It seems that Nvidia are the new Apple.
You know, this makes me want to just get a PS4 or something to play games these days. So much cheaper. The thing about consoles - and really this goes back to the early days - is that they push them to the limits and are creative about using a known set of tools and tech.
With PC GPUs changing, what, every two years now and doubling in price, something like PS4 makes a lot of sense. And that old adage of graphics not making a game still holds true.
Quote from: Freddy on September 29, 2018, 01:39:24 AM
You know, this makes me want to just get a PS4 or something to play games these days. So much cheaper. The thing about consoles - and really this goes back to the early days - is that they push them to the limits and are creative about using a known set of tools and tech.
With PC GPUs changing, what, every two years now and doubling in price, something like PS4 makes a lot of sense. And that old adage of graphics not making a game still holds true.
Agreed Freddy.
PC gaming is heading in the direction of hardcore gaming, something for the few and not the many.
For the casual gamer there will still be cheaper option cards available, also with AMD joining forces with Intel to add better onboard graphics to Intel CPUs there might be some light at the end of the tunnel.
One of the biggest mistakes I made when I bought my system back then was that I opted for NO OBG or OBA on the MoBo. This turned out to be a mistake on my part, forcing me to scramble when my vid cards both failed. Sadly, it was at JUST the wrong time for me, on both a personal financial level, AND from the standpoint of the cryptocurrency boom. {sigh!} I notice that single vid cards capable of supporting 4 monitors is edging back into the $300USD range, so perhaps soon I'll be able to get a decent card for my gear (should I ever get some income, that is), but it's still months off, at the very least. :sign-sad:
Checking in, BTW. Will report on things in the daily thread. :)
Nice to hear from you Dave, I went through a long waiting time before being able to get a video card for my build. I think I got a good deal on a Evga 1070 with a water cooler.
Carl2
You'll get there Dave :)
Regardless of choosing to say no to the new range of cards I'll still keep an eye on things. Here's an article which looks interesting, I only skimmed it so far.
NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 Ti and 2080 review (https://www.scan.co.uk/info/scanzone/59-nvidia-geforce-rtx-2080-2080ti-review-special#article1?utm_campaign=Scanzone%2bissue59%2b02%252f10%252f18&utm_source=scanshot&utm_medium=email)
We are still waiting for AMD's next offering, when it arrives expect it to shake up the prices ;)
I looked at the article but it is really over my head, a photo on the screen for a fraction of a second. Maybe its very good for the right person but I'm not sure if I'd see a difference. Probably a matter of if the game will play.
Carl2
Carl, I can try to summarise. Basically from what I see it's a case of diminishing returns. Sure some of the new features are 'nice to haves' but they are far from essential. The features they add are things like making a scene more defined and adding more realistic shadows. And they are only obtainable by paying through the nose.
Give it a couple of years for the tech to become mainstream and the prices may go down. In the meantime you can spend all the money you save on games ;D
I have to say I did run into a few games I liked, low cost maybe free games. I don't care for the running around shooting people or monsters, when hunting in the woods you don't shoot people. I saw a vid of a driving game, totally unreal since you can't drive down a street like that. So games get better and video cards get better but paying as much for a video card when whole computers cost less is another thing.
Carl2
QuoteI saw a vid of a driving game, totally unreal since you can't drive down a street like that.
I'm sure you can get a nice Sunday Driver simulator Carl :LOL: ;)
Sure it's not like you would drive down the street like that, but isn't that why we play games, so we can do this escapist stuff ?
I don't see many dragons in my part of the world either. But each to their own :)
Quotepaying as much for a video card when whole computers cost less is another thing
Yes, you hit the nail on the head. 4K PC gaming is prohibitive, but is attainable for a great deal less with a console.
Here's a bit of interesting news.
QuoteNvidia Delivers Ray Tracing Driver for Previous-Gen Pascal Cards
Yep thats right, you can now enable Ray Tracing on GTX graphics cards, performance might not be great in games but there might be some other uses i.e. renders.
https://www.tomshardware.co.uk/nvidia-ray_tracing-pascal-10_series-driver,news-60356.html
I will have to have a play with that :thumbsup: 8)