Datahopa

Here is my Windows 7 WEI, badly held back by the HDD   :-[

Mobo = Gigabyte EP43-DS3
CPU = Q9400 @ 3.4GHz
4 GIG RAM Kingston HyperX 1066 MHz @  840 MHz
HD4890 @ GPU 900MHz,  RAM  1100MHz

Here's mine.

MB : Asus P5QL-E
CPU : Intel Core 2 Quad Q9400 Socket 775 2.66GHz 1333FSB 6MB
Memory : OCZ Technology OCZ DDR2 Dual Channel 4GB PC2-8500
Graphics : Sapphire HD3850 512MB

Slowed down by my HD too, though the graphics card is working wonders with GTA4.

Decided not to upgrade my HD until I can afford SSD.

Processor Intel core i7 950          Calculation/ sec       7.5
Memory    9 Gb                          Operations/ sec       7.5
Graphics Nvidia Geforce GTX 285  Aero                      7.4
Gaming Graphics                         3D and Gaming       7.4
Primary Hard drive   Intel SSD      Transfer rate           7.8

  Nice not to be pulled down by the Hard drive, I'd thought the Kingston SSD pulled it down to 7.4 but was mistaken.  Hurry up and make a mistake.
Carl2

Here is mine

MB           MSI MS-7345 (p35)
CPU          intel Q6600
MEM         4GB 800MHz DDR2 Corsair
Graphics   Saphire HD 4870

Proc         7.1
MEM         7.1
Graphics   7.5
Gaming     7.5
P HDD       5.9

Decided to put in the WEI for the Asus,

Processor             7.1
Memory                7.1
Graphics               4.4
Gaming Graphics   5.3
HD                       5.9

  Works good enough for just about everything I do everyday but just ran into a problem with the graphics while using Jiggly in Hal.  The problem is gone in the Gateway computer.
Carl2

The Asus score says one thing to me:

Pre made PC's lack in graphics performance; I'm not surprised, its something I/we all knew.

IMHO it so much better to build your own rig or get someone to build it for you with all the components you need so you don't end up having a computer that cant do something or cant do very well. 

NOTES SO FAR:

Carl2 is annihilating us on disk speed

All the CPU's are actually quite close on scores (all quads)

I have the fastest graphics card  ;D

I'm the only one overclocking.  ???

You forgot that I have a beast for a PSU  ;)  Not really rateable or necessary (at the moment) but I had to get some mileage out of the bragging rights lol !

I've go an OCZ quad 12 rail PSU ...  8)

Only 600W but plenty fo my needs

Freddy does have a monster of a PSU, 850watt single rail.  :o

Hey snowy we used to think dual rail or more rails were the best ones, and I think they were, but now the top PSU's like Freddys have a single rail.

Freddys can you post a link to yours please,

Yes, I have read in a few places that single rail are the most stable, that's part of the reason I got it.  Also the whopping 7 years warranty.

Here it is on NewEgg - that's quite a good run down there.

Cost me £130

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139011

Here it is on Over Clockers...

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CA-019-CS&tool=3

Nice PSU. Designed to run 3 x graphics cards

What sort of monster do you have?

I don't really have a monster at the moment.  I got it to help future proof my PSU needs.  But yeah I am tempted by some crossfire set up some time so it should fit.  I am all spent out at the moment though, having got a quad core and some new memory.

Actually im kind of grinning to my self,, I've already told Freddy off for getting that PSU, but at the end of the day I guess I'm only jealous :D

I spent ages telling him that its good to over engineer but there's over engineering and going to far. Freddy is probably grinning reading this too.

And he does have a PSU with a 7 year warranty.

 ;D  Yeah I am grinning !  Well sometimes it's nice to go mad...that's what I say lol

Freddy,
  Say what you will about prebuilt, the gateway has a Intel 950, The graphics is Nvidia 285.  I couldn't build for there price.  At over $550 I'm not to try to overclock.  I also use newegg, right place right time.  To be honest I'd like to try another build in the future after some saving.
  PS,  Also like the burn in they use.
Carl2

Carl2

It was me that said pre-builds weren't as good, and im sticking to it.  

You know im right  ;D lol

EDIT:
Ok I've outlined my reasons for not getting a pre-built, you might not agree, thats fine  :)

Thread here:
http://www.datahopa.co.uk/forum/index.php/topic,41.0.html

Darahopa,
  I replied to that, my feelings are that people working at say HP have access to the newer components long before the public. Thay make a few calls to manufactures and say send us 100 pieces of xyz.  The components are tested sometimes using special test equipment and is selected or rejected.  Thay can order 25,000 pieces at 1/3 of what we pay.  Important is what is called the bathtub curve, really an upside down bathtub, The majority of failures will happen during the start of testing therfore thay have the burnin.
  Thay have people writing software for their products. 
  I do agree the mb we get in prebuilt computers is not as good as far as the bios, I do know Hp has there Mb made special for them by Asus.
PS, worked as a computer repair tech at one time.  What thay charged was unbelievable.  Again special software for testing.
Carl2

Well Snowcrash persuaded me to finally get my scores uploaded, so here they are attached.

Not too sure about the scoring to be honest.  My CPU and RAM should be higher than that.

CPU: i7 920
RAM: 6x2Gb OCZ Reaper DDR3 (OCZ3RPR1800LV2G )
Chipset: X58 on an Asus Rampage II Extreme mobo
GFX: 2x Asus Nvidia GTX-285 in SLI
HDD1: WD 150Gb Velociraptor (the SATA2 one)
Audio: SB XFI Fatality (the one with the front break out box job)


Cheers

Spooner.

  Everyone seems to wonder about the scoring,  All regular HD's get a 5.9  in standard configuration or raid 0, noticed the velocitaptor is only 5.9 also.
Carl2

If it wasn't for the price im sure we would all have SSD, HDD has gone as far as it can go, it would seem.

Spooner, thanks for posting the scores, your CPU and RAM score look about right to me, been looking around the web at other peoples scores with a 920, there are plenty out there, what you need to do is clock the 920, the poor thing is being throttled back by its 2.6GHz  ???

Honestly I see an improvement in games from my Q9400 when clocked from 2.6 to 3.4, a standard clocked Q9400 is not fast enough for my HD4890 graphics card.
I'm running a FSB of over 1600mhz, to me that's the key regardless of what speed I run the memory at the performance in games seems to come from the FSB MHz and CPU GHz.   

Have been clocking for a good few years and my rig I have now has the biggest noticeable improvement when overclocked.

Would like to get my hands on a 920  :D

Spooner is having problems with stability with the memory. Got it upto a score of 7.8 but unstable.

Frame rate in all games is excellent hence no need to clock. The SLI doubles and sometimes triples frame rate.

Well got my new HD installed okay.  Looks okay at the moment.  Things seem a little snappier.  Also found some new drivers for things too.

My HD upped my WEI score a little...

Looks good Freddy, as we know HDD can't go past 5.9, so you are there.
Your other scores look about right too. :bounce:
 

I've had Windows 7 in since it came out, something like a year isn't it? lol not sure, but I haven't changed the graphics card driver since so I thought it was time to up-date it, there have been plenty of new drivers released since then but if it isn't broke...

First I had a problem getting the Catalyst Control Center to run but after much hunting around I found a fix for that so it's all up and running.

The surprise is that my graphics card WEI score has increased from 7.6 to 7.7

That was worth it then  8)

Hehe, It's more like a year and a half now believe it or not. It was early Autumn 2009 if memory serves me right.

I think I will leave mine as it is, but worth knowing.  Thanks :thumbsup:

I've built my Dad's machine. Specs are:-

Intel i7 2600K HD3000
Gigabyte Z68XP-UD3
8 GB, 1600 MHz
120 GB OCZ SSD

And the WEI

Not bad scores for having no graphics card.

It boots in about 35 secs from pressing the button to LAN fully in (LAN is last thing).

I'm off to deliver it now.

Interesting results there, the best CPU, memory and disk scores we have seen so far, the most impressive has to be the SSD @7.5.

The graphics @6.4 is also impressive for onboard, something like the speed of a mid range card, not bad at all for free  :thumbsup:

To sum up, the i7 is .2 better than my Q9400 CPU, not enough to justify an up-grade yet for me.

But as we have said before an SSD is on the cards @7.5. 

Ok, so NOW I see this thread. I'm almost ashamed to post my WEI scores here. I thought I was doing good till I saw you folks' scores. Now I see that I need to  REALLY start saving my pennies!  :sign-sad:

Nothing to worry about really if it does what you want.  Having said that a new graphics card is on my list, just so one of my games runs a little smoother.  I've been very good and waited probably over a year.  Often I upgrade in the new year, so I might start looking around for something soon.

If you're not a gamer then having graphics over about 5 is more than needed.

This is the first PC I've build for my dad but is his 4th I think. The parts cost about £800 but I didn't skimp. I could've done it for nearer £600 with a bit more thought but he was happy at that price.

I generally say + 50% on any component's speed or you won't notice the difference. That's actual speed not WEI score. I am impressed with the machine. It now has Office etc. in and opening Word for the first time, fresh boot, takes about 2 secs. Those blue circles are a thing of the past. lol

Oh yeah Dave, you've told us your graphics WEI is 3.9  :LOL: Put a £$50 card in and it'll be much higher. But why bother if it's fast enough?

I don't do anywhere near the gaming that I used to. Heck, I still play Quake 3, and my "newest" game is Guild Wars, so high end graphics for gaming isn't really a priority, but I do waht my 3D renders in Daz Studio and Bryce to go faster than they have, and I don't see much improvement there yet, so I'll probably look for something to help that along some. I just don't think that an improved graphics card will be of much use there, unless there's a way to "tweak" the software to use GPU cycles/memory, in addition to CPU cycles/memory. I haven't seen anything like that yet, but one can always hope. :)

I found this after doing a Google for "Daz Studio gpu render", it does look like things are moving towards the GPU rendering, I didn't fully read it all though. 

http://forum.daz3d.com/viewtopic.php?t=176418&sid=42c921fff16c5374ffefdd658921c893 (http://forum.daz3d.com/viewtopic.php?t=176418&sid=42c921fff16c5374ffefdd658921c893)

SSD drive is up and running, got most of my system back together, taking a break and thought I would test the WEI score and I'm pretty happy with it, the SSD is scoring 7.8  :o

Computer feels quicker to use for sure and booting time.. well I haven't timed it but it feels a lot quicker. Only had windows in a few hours though. 

Looking good so far.       

Wowsers I am catching you guys up now  :LOL:

Both my graphics scores leapt up from 6.9 to 7.8  8)

Looks like it has to be SSD next for me !

Bugger, it beats mine  :'(

The new graphics card is working right then  :thumbsup:, excellent  :)

Haha only by 0.1  :D  ;)

When you reach the high 7's that extra 0.1 costs loads and makes a huge difference.

Cool card. May you have many years of graphic lovelyness.

Thanks Snowy.  Yeah I guess it makes some difference.  This is the most I have spent on a card, probably double what I have in the past.  Found it at a good price though, and it was more or less planned.  Free game included so cannot be bad.

Hopefully this will last me a good couple of years or more.  It will take a while before I can actually get a three monitor set up, but at least the basis for it is in place now if I get taken by madness.

I think SSD should be my next priority though going by what you guys have experienced in terms of performance per pound.

But yeah, nice to have a new toy  8)

I've watch you build this PC up Freddy, it's turning out to be a great cake, the icing will be the SSD.

What is that old saying?

Once you've had SSD there is no going back, hmm something like that anyway  :D 

Nice scores Freddy  :thumbsup:

Thanks I am very pleased with it  :D

Finally got around to this, thanks to a few tips about print screen from a couple of friends here :D

Manufacturer Gateway
Model FX6850
core i7 2600 non c lockable model
Geforce GT 440 1.5GB
8GB DDr3
1TB HHD

Intel® X25-V Solid State Drive, 40GB

Very nice CPU score there Syber, I think it's the best or equal to the best we have seen.

But, and there is a but, your disk score is a little low for that SSD, I did a google on that drive and it seems that 7.6 to 7.7 is the average for it, now I am wondering if you have AHCI enabled on your motherboard.

There is an easy way to check, go to device manger and have a look at the IDE / ATA controllers, you should see an Intel AHCI controller, like in the attached image.  

If it is turned off, don't turn it on yet or windows won't boot, there is a registry tweek that needs doing before you can enable it if you installed windows with it turned off.

I thought it was low, but never really checked into it.
the system already came with AHCI  enabled by Gateway.
I thought maybe cause I have parts of the os features turned off and had other parts on the 2nd drive that maybe that might have had something to do with it. but like I said I never looked into it.

The cpu score is the same as Snowcrash's Dads machine. We both have have the same cpu, He has the k model, I don't remember if mine is the K mode or not.  I do remember there are two models one overclockable and one non clockable. I also remember mine is the non c lockable version.

So you do have AHCI enabled but the score is a little low, hmm being a bit of a PC nerd I would like to know why, just in case I come across it again.

Syber is your AHCI controller made by Intel? Like my one shows on the image on the previous page.

If you don't mind  :)

IDE ATA/ATAPI controlers
Intel(R) Desktop/Workstation/server Express Chipset SATA AHCI Controler

Driver version 10.0.0.1046

Thanks Syber  :)

I looked into this a bit and apart from the driver being a little out of date I can't really find a definitive answer, I'm getting the feeling you are probably stuck with the 7.4 score, if you go hunting what others have scored with that SSD there are some out there with the same score, and really 7.4 is still pretty quick.

If it was mine I would be trying a few things to get that extra .3 out of the drive but I wouldn't recommend you trying it Syber, I don't want to be responsible for you loosing any data. 

Sorry I can't help you any more.

your welcome Data, anytime :thumbsup:

I appreciate you taking your time and looking out for me  :D
The Last time I re-did my os I updated the SSD drivers so I know that is not the culprit, However I did not think to update the AHCI driver. Maybe someday I will do a driver update for the AHCI, it is not that hard.

QuoteIf it was mine I would be trying a few things to get that extra .3 out of the drive but I wouldn't recommend you trying it Syber, I don't want to be responsible for you loosing any data. 

I don't worry about loosing anything on my SSD for there is really nothing of importance on the drive except the os. I tinker with it here and there every once in a while to try and get a lil more performance.  However I have not done anything recently, do to trying to get my new site built.

  My gateway has an Intel 160 Gb SSD and gets a 7.8 wei, I just put an Intel 320 120 Gb SSD in an Asus and get a 7.6 wei,  I do know from looking at SSD reviews that a smaller drive will be slower.  I'm sure the drive boots faster and it's much better than a 5.9.
Carl2

Thanks for sharing your findings Cael2. It does boot exceptionally faster than a HHD, My boot time less than 20 seconds  :thumbsup: where as my laptop boottime is well over a minute.

Dropping this in for future reference.  Significant changes with the new SSD  8)

Freddy,
  That is good. 
Congrats,  I jumped in the game to soon, Actualy wasted money, Prices are much more resonable now.
Carl2

nice WEI there Freedy, congrats

Thanks guys.  Yes prices have even gone down within the week.  I got mine at £95 and now I see Amazon have it at £90 today lol

As we approach the release of Windows 8 the prices of computers released with Windows 7 will drop dramatically since all of the new computers will have Windows 8 in them. It's funny but I'm still not seeing very many computers being built with the solid-state drives and the ones that are are very expensive.
Carl 2

Are you blokes ready for a good, hearty laugh?

This is the WEI for my install of Windows 8 through my VirtualBox install. I'd say "Blimey!", but even that doesn't cover it! :o

Odd, though, that it's got a higher score than the desktop unit it lives in does...

I take it there was not a graphics driver available  :P
Hope you don't plan on doing major rendering or intense gaming within windows8

Oh heck no. In fact, I'd doubt I'll have Win8 still installed on this box this time next week. I just wanted to see what it looked like, and I've more or less decided that I'll be sticking with 7 for a while longer.

I had to remove windows 8 to redo my laptop, but I might dual boot to have windows 8 back. mainly to test on, for I might in the future try and build a couple apps for the metro area. Secondly is for my kids to play the metro area available games.

I've seen it mentioned that the maximum WEI in win 8 has been raised to 9.9 instead of 7.9 as in Win 7, can you win 8 chaps confirm that?

Yup! Consider that confirmed! Not that my Win 8 install can even dream to aspire to licking the boots of a ghost of half of that number. :(

Thanks Dave, So the bar has been raised, I can see the possibility in the future of getting the memory, graphics and disk up to 9.9 but the CPU, that's going to take some doing and will require a new approach.

If we look back over Vista and Win 7 years its been the CPU score that has been the slowest to improve, you still can't get a CPU off the shelf that can hit 7.9 unless you massively overclock it and cool it with dry ice or liquid nitrogen  :o

Or that was the case the last time I looked into it which wasn't that long ago.

What about multi CPU boards  :scratch-head:

Didn't that particular fad go away in the early to mid 90's? I seem to recall reading about Intel's "latest and greatest" MoBo, having 2 Pentium CPU's and a dedicated math co-processor all on one board, and I just drooled. And of course, there was the Connection Machine (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connection_Machine), back in the 80's. I wonder... :)

I think they were around quite a while after the 90s, but usually two or four CPUs and of course far too expensive for most people.

Hehe, I used to have a dual CPU mobo, it was two x Pentium 200 MMX CPU's, cost far too much to make and when I look back, it wasn't very good either, but that was the technology at the time.   

The problem with 2 or more actual CPU's is the power consumption, manufacturers want to be seen as green, it just kind of goes against the ethos I guess.   

Multi core in one CPU is way its done these days.   

I can see it now, in 2019... the Intel I256EG, with 256 cores, 6GHz clock, 512 L1 caches, all 1GB in size, and a 1TB L2 cache, 128 bit address buss, capable of accessing 16 petabytes of memory, and capable of multi-dimensional quantum processing. Windows 10 WEI score? 8.6 :P

Quote6GHz clock

Dave I hope you are wrong on this part, I hoping for a minimum of 8-10GHz several years from now.

I almost built a dual core machine about 5 years ago. I decided against it for the total build cost would have been about $6k usd. The extreme series cpu's that the motherboard was made for was close to $1k apiece. I'm really glad I decided against that build, for multiple reasons.

At this point in time, chip manufacturers are rapidly approaching a barrier in physics that will be very difficult to get around. Between insane clock speeds, and ever diminishing circuit trace sizes, they're gaining less and less performance increases, for a variety of reasons. Primarily, though, is the problem that these smaller and smaller circuit traces (the connectors between transistors within the chips) are getting so small that their width is smaller than the wavelength of the signal it carries, and so these conductors can't carry the signals properly, because they attenuate (dampen) that signal, creating signal loss, and thus, data loss. I'm certain that someone will either find a way around the problem, or even come up with a totally different approach, but until then, we're still coming up fast on a currently impassible barrier.

BTW, this is one reason why CPU makers went to multiple cores on the same die. Rather than having one chip and trying to make it run faster, they just stack multiple chips together to do the same job. So now you have up to 8 "bucket brigade" operations that run a bit slower, instead of only one, which may run a little faster, but still can't handle the throughput of the 8.

I think it is about time they moved away from silicon, and find/use an better alternative.  :scratch-head: I also always wondered what our WEI score on the cpu side would be for a human brain  :P

For most folks, probably in the range of 8.9-9.4 - I don't think that my Brother could even GET a WEI score, since the minimum is 1.0. :P

LOL Dave  :LOL:, but I got to say ... I feel for your poor brother  :(

Quote from: sybershot on May 07, 2012, 03:21:38 AM
Dave I hope you are wrong on this part, I hoping for a minimum of 8-10GHz several years from now.

I wouldn't hold your breath on that speed Syber, well not for the average home user, the increased power problem arises when you start to clock the CPU at those kinds of speeds.

Unless they can go a lot smaller in transistor size, like Dave said, and we know they are reaching the limit there already.

The trend now is to make the CPU do more work per cycle rather than increase cycles, that and multi core on one die. 

I would like to see Intel release a CPU that doesn't have the graphics onboard and uses that space on the die for a few more cores, for people with mid to high end range graphics cards in their rigs its got to be a better way to go.

Come on Intel  :P   

You're all thinking 'silicon' and the inherent problems of semi-conductors.

You need to be thinking 'graphene', a semi-metal. NS link here. (http://www.newscientist.com/special/instant-expert-graphene)

All semi-conductors have higher resistance the smaller they get (in the nano scale we're now approaching, at least). Graphene's resistance goes down at small scales. The main problem to a working technology is 'gating' graphene. The 'gate' current is still too high when the transistor is 'off'.
All materials have their natural working frequencies. Graphene's is in the 100-1000 GHz range. Fast enough?

Graphene transistors have been made but not perfected (1947 for the 1st semi-conductor transistor). Expect some hybrid tech in the next 10 years. Who knows after that?

Fitted an SSD to Diesels PC today, it's scoring 7.7.

He is going to love it when he gets back from his holiday  :D

Nice work...but erm...I think you forgot to put the graphics card back in lol  :P

 :sign-oops: :booboo: :mutley:

It's called Affirmative Action, Freddy. SOMEONE had to hire that retarded gerbil with a box of crayons! :P

My thanks go to Data for the work he has completed on my machine, I'm very impressed as always.  :thumbsup:

Err, has anyone seen a stray Graphics Card kicking about here somewhere.  :scratch-head:

 :sign-welcome: back Diesel, Oh! and a big welcome to the SSD club  :P

You won't find the graphics card, sold it on eBay :thumbsup:  :LOL:

welcome back Diesel, enjoy the new ssd  ;D

Welcome back  ;D  Have fun with your new toy !

Just put an i3 together for a member of Diesels family.

3.1 GHz i3 with HD3000 graphics on board. (Sandybridge)

8 GIG RAM

SSD on SATA 3

Got to say it's the fastest booting PC I have put together, there is an Intel fast boot in the bios, had to turn that on, its booting in something like 6 seconds  :o

The SSD on the SATA 3 does feel a little quicker than on the SATA 2 systems and its scoring a lovely 7.8  :thumbsup: 

Graphics score looks decent, not mind blowing but for no graphics card it should have enough grunt for games.

Over all I'm impressed for an i3.

well done there Data, don't underestimate those i3's they are great little cpu's

While I was in the hospital, Mom bought me a new laptop, since the old one's cooling issues would be more expensive to fix than buying a new unit would cost. I haven't really tested it out yet, since the desktop is still my favorite, but I guess I'll have to break down and check it out, since it's an I5 quad(?) core. At least, I think it's a quad core. :) I'll let you know about that, too.

Ok, I was wrong. It's 'only' a dual core, darn it. Belarc shows the following:

2.50 gigahertz Intel Core i5-3210M
No memory cache
64-bit ready
Multi-core (2 total)
Hyper-threaded (4 total)

I think it was the "hyper-threaded" reading that threw me off. I don't yet have a decent graphics app installed yet (I refuse to use paint), so it'll be a little bit before I can post my WEI, but I'll do so shortly.

I tried to post the WEI image, but got this:

QuoteThe upload folder is full. Please try a smaller file and/or contact an administrator.

:o

I'm not surprised it's a dual core i5, a quad in a laptop is going to eat the battery, the CPU also has less cache than a desktop i5, again for power saving I should think. 

The up-load should work now Dave, lets see its WEI.

Oh, SURE! Make me dig out the laptop again! :P

lol, gimme a few, if you don't mind. :)

Here we go:

Thanks for posting it Dave and sorry about the problem you had before with posting.

The Admins need to get their fingers out here  :no-no:

Interesting score for the i5 laptop CPU, exactly the same as the desktop i3 I put together but I guess that's because the i3 has a faster clock speed.

Looks like quite an impressive little laptop, can't help but think it would like an SSD in there now,

Once again Data, you have surpassed all expectations. That little machine you have built for me is totally awesome.

I have used your services many times, for which I thank you dearly, this is the first time you have built me a machine from scratch. To say I'm seriously impressed would be an understatement.

Daughter Infant, for whom you built the machine, has referred to you as a LEGEND, apparently, young speak for an all round good gezza'.

High regard I would suggest.

Many, Many Thanks my friend, as always, I'm in your debt.  :worship: :hats-off:

Many thanks to you too Diesel, as usual, the cheque is in the post   :P

I'm really liking all of the stats for this SSD:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227727 (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227727)

Except for the price, but that's only because I like to eat. :)

And really, for the size of the drive, and considering it's performance specs, that's a fantastic deal. (for the lazy, that's less than 110 quid)

Your post is $175. I wish all you had to do was $ to £ on the exchange rate but life's not that simple on buying computer equipment.

I've found this one that looks different but the same spec for £135. (http://www.ebuyer.com/278645-ocz-240gb-agility-3-ssd-agt3-25sat3-240g) And also found this one that is the next generation  (http://www.ebuyer.com/386426-ocz-256gb-agility-4-ssd-agt4-25sat3-256g) but more pricey at £148

I sort of "cheated" with th currency conversion, Snowy. :) On my iGoogle page is a gadget that does currency conversion, supposedly at the "current going rate", which is around $1.6026 per GBP, as of today. Thus, that $175.00USD would be roughly £109.20GBP :)

Unfortunately, when it comes to tech it oftens is $ for £. Something that costs 100 bucks cost 100 pounds even though the exchange rate would say otherwise.

In that case, you blokes seem to be getting the short end of the stick! :(

Your lives are poop. :P

Put a Dual Core Pentium together today, it's on Sandy Bridge with 4 GIG of RAM and SSD, not a gaming machine. Used the same motherboard that I did with the i3 and it's booting in about 5 to 6 seconds, so yes nice and quick.

Feels snappy in windows, a nice little budget machine. Only drawback is the 4GIG of RAM, you have to allocate some of it to the graphics with Sandy Bridge and because of that windows has less than 4GIG to play with so it marks its score down in the WEI.

4 gig of ram is not that bad for a home pc and average user. Ever think of making a build log with porn opps lol I mean pics?

Oh I agree Syber, 4 GIG is enough for a basic home PC, I have 4 GIG in my gaming machine but it also has a 1 GIG graphics card meaning all 4 GIG's are usable to windows.

I guess what I meant to say was, if you are building a gaming machine with any Sandy Bridge configuration you should go for 8 GIG of RAM.

Pics? You want a pic of the computers I build. Do a Google for PC cases around the $40 mark, they normally end up looking something like that  :D

Actually I have been getting more and more work in recently, when people see how fast these things boot with an SSD they want one and when I tell them how cheap they are to build they can't wait to get one. On top of that is the fact that they can't buy a PC anywhere close to the speed for the same sort of money from shops, then I get the jobs.

Good times for a PC builder right now.  :)

Glad to hear business is doing well  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Business for me has slowed down, it should start picking back up once people pull there boats out for the winter.

QuotePics? You want a pic of the computers I build. Do a Google for PC cases around the $40 mark, they normally end up looking something like that  Cheesy

Hope my suggestion was not taken as being intrusive into you business, I was just looking over at extreme systems forums at some great build logs of custom computers. I though it might be something you might like to do some day to show off your work.

Quote from: sybershot on September 20, 2012, 12:03:55 PM
Glad to hear business is doing well  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Yes its good that work is coming in, it's the SSD's that's doing it giving me a nice little niche market to work with and the customers are happier than they have ever been. Most people judge the computer speed by its start up time  :thumbsup:

Quote from: sybershot on September 20, 2012, 12:03:55 PM
Hope my suggestion was not taken as being intrusive into you business, I was just looking over at extreme systems forums at some great build logs of custom computers. I though it might be something you might like to do some day to show off your work.

Oh I see what you mean Syber  :Head-Slap: , think I got the wrong end of the stick there, silly me  :D

Now that I see what you mean I don't think I really would like to do it, I get most of my work from "word of mouth" and not from the web, it might just add a work-load that would take up some gaming time  :P

I think its good to see the WEI scores of these systems, gives us all an idea of what we can expect from varying CPU's and other hardware. 

Quote from: sybershot on September 20, 2012, 12:03:55 PM
Business for me has slowed down, it should start picking back up once people pull there boats out for the winter.

Now you should have some time to spend on your projects Syber, could be worse.

A niche in the market is money in the pocket  ;)

QuoteOh I see what you mean Syber  Head Slap , think I got the wrong end of the stick there, silly me  Cheesy

Now that I see what you mean I don't think I really would like to do it, I get most of my work from "word of mouth" and not from the web, it might just add a work-load that would take up some gaming time  Tongue

I think its good to see the WEI scores of these systems, gives us all an idea of what we can expect from varying CPU's and other hardware. 

No need for "head slap" blame is mine for not being clear, That is one of my downfalls "being able to describe something clearly"  :P

Word of mouth is best advertisement, I get 99% of my customers that way as well. That is true, game time is valuable and scarce at times.

WEI scores are indeed great to see, I agree 100%. Thanks for sharing them with us  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: 

QuoteNow you should have some time to spend on your projects Syber, could be worse.

The slowness of the business this time of year is calculated into budget, It is the same every year as well as no business within the winter months. So all in all it does not hurt the business or finances, yet it does give me more time which is a valuable thing indeed.

That times goes to family, friends, other business adventures, and as you said projects   :yahoo:

Here it is then my new WEI with 4 GIG of RAM and Nvidia 630 2GIG card.

Well, that places me squarely at the back of the pack again. :sign-sad: Guess it's time for an upgrade.

Welcome to the 21st century graphics detail.  :D :thumbsup:

Dave's still lounging around in the 20th century.

In some respects, I don't think I left the 4th century. :o

Dave, I have one Hampster and Wheel which is now surplus to requirement, any use to you.  :thumbsup:

Probably not, Mate. I'd only go backwards. :)

way to go on the new wei score Diesel :thumbsup:

Thanks guys, but all the credit must go to Data once again who's generosity, skill and friendship has brought my machine upto this standard.  :worship:

I have to say that I'm delighted with the results, many, many thanks Data.  :thumbsup:

Very kind of you to say that Diesel, to me I was just trying to help a friend in need :)

I'm happy that you are delighted with the results  :thumbsup:

My new ssd score  :o it blows away my i72600 an ram by 2 points  :banana:

Lovely score from the Vertex 4  :thumbsup:

I knew you would like OCZ drives, I take it I can add you to the OCZ fan club Syber.  :D

Graphics score looks a little sad down there now at 6.9  :(

Thanks Data, indeed a new OCZ fan :D
just got done installing updates and drivers, now it is time for installing programs, will be nice to have all my main programs back on the c drive once again :D

Agreed graphics score is low :( , it's a Nvidia Geforce GT4400 1.5bg that came factory with the system. So far I had no issues with it, it performs well on both games that I play which is World of Warcraft and Command and Conquer4 and my graphic renders are fairly quick. Until I can afford multiple(3) screens and 2 graphics cards to run them, the score will have to stay down there for some time .

Well, I was ~HOPING that the switch to Win 8 would improve my WEI, and in some respects it did. BUT... The overall score actually dropped! :o

No worries. Cool.

The Champ


http://aidreams.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=4968.0 (http://aidreams.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=4968.0)

Now that's a wei little score  :P
The Champ you are indeed GT40 :D

Thank you so much SyberShot. I guess if I installed my Windows 7 Starter instead of XP on my usual desktop (Pentium IV, GeForce 4, made in 2002), I could reach at least 3.0, even maybe 3.1.

But why to change something that works so fine? I can't see any reason. 8)

I always say: If it does what you need it to, there is no need to change :D

Managed to run the WEI, not sure what I did but it's working now after refusing to complete before.   

CPU score is a little lower than I was expecting.
Memory score is better than I thought it would be.
Graphics card score has dropped .1 in win 8 compared to win 7
SSD score is exactly the same on SATA 3 as SATA 2

7.6 is certainly nothing to sneeze at, Data. Heck, I'd be happy with everything in the low to mid 6's. :)

Yeah I am happy with 7.6  :)

If you lived near me I would give you my old rig Dave, well I say give, probably at a bargain price  ;)

I got to say I was expecting the SSD score to improve a little being on SATA 3 now but in reality it's the same and yes I do have the SATA 3 drivers installed and working and the SSD is reporting as being in SATA 3 6GB mode. 

QuoteSSD score is exactly the same on SATA 3 as SATA 2

That is indeed odd  :scratch-head:
Nice score though nevertheless  :thumbsup:

I thought it might be the SATA cable not being up to spec so I did a bit of research on them and it would seem that you can use any SATA cable for SATA 3, even an old SATA 1 cable.

Is Your SATA Cable Slowing Down Your Data Transfers? (http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/your_sata_cable_slowing_down_your_data_transfers_max_pc_investigates)


Having said that I will change the cable, just in case  :D

I Hope the new cable improves your score, from what I read a while back only the shielding material is different between the different version cables. Though merit has to be given to maximum pc's findings.

I tried a SATA 3 verified lead but am still getting 7.8 from the SSD, looks like that's all you can get out of an OCZ Agility 3.

My memory score has gone up from 8.1 to 8.2 for some reason, I haven't tweaked it since the last WEI test, must be a borderline case of around 8.1 and a half  :-\

So I better post a pic of it, I know you guys like to see my gloating  :P

WEI getting better, with no changes except sata cable  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:
Sorry it did not improve drive scores though.

No need to be sorry Syber, that SSD score will improve when I get my second SSD and RAID them  :P

I didn't expect the score to be as fast as your newer Vertex 4 SSD, you hold the record for SSD on this site  :worship:

But I do believe I have the record for the highest single score of 8.2 for my memory.  ;D

Nice  8)

I'm not worthy of the  :worship: I only got that score due to needing a new drive desperately. However your memory score, that is something to  :worship:  over  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

{quietly sitting in the corner with an evil grin, sharpening his implements}

Mostly looking forward to your memory score Dave, quad channel is going to score something like 8.8 in windows 8, I think.

Saying that I see you have a windows 7 disk on your wish list, so maybe only 7.9 if you stick to win 7.

Will be interesting to see the scores from a LGA2011 rig.

The Win 7 is a "just in case" thing, since I'm still pretty much "on the fence" about Windows 8. Not a big fan of Metro (whatever they're calling it), but there are other things in 8 that I did like, so...

with all that ram I would think 8.8 would be far too low, but I'm sure you did your homework Data.

I'm waiting to see the score of the sdd, it suppose to be a bit faster than mine. and if he puts the 2 in raid  :o I'm going to need a ladder to clime back to the top lol

Did a little bit of homework but can't find any scores for 64 GIG but I did find a couple of scores for quad channel RAM and they are around 8.8.

Syber, when you are done with the ladder can you pass it over to me  ;D

Nothing's set in stone yet, Mates. Let's just see how it all shakes out, shall we?

Sure thing Data  :thumbsup:

Thanks to a link that Data shared in my "suggestions" thread, plus a bit of research, I found out that you can get a more detailed WEI report through the command line. You can read about it here (http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2134570&page=11#post34507146).

Command: WINSAT DISK

Here are the results for the laptop - Doesn't look good, does it?

C:\Users\Dave>winsat disk
Windows System Assessment Tool
> Running: Feature Enumeration ''
> Run Time 00:00:00.00
> Running: Storage Assessment '-seq -read -n 0'
> Run Time 00:00:13.51
> Running: Storage Assessment '-ran -read -n 0'
> Run Time 00:00:13.03
> Running: Storage Assessment '-scen 2009 -drive C:'
> Run Time 00:01:10.57
> Running: Storage Assessment '-seq -write -drive C:'
> Run Time 00:00:11.86
> Running: Storage Assessment '-flush -drive C: -seq'
> Run Time 00:00:08.28
> Running: Storage Assessment '-flush -drive C: -ran'
> Run Time 00:00:15.82
> Running: Storage Assessment '-hybrid -ran -read -n 0 -ransize 4096'
NV Cache not present.
> Run Time 00:00:00.01
> Running: Storage Assessment '-hybrid -ran -read -n 0 -ransize 16384'
NV Cache not present.
> Run Time 00:00:00.00
> Disk  Sequential 64.0 Read                   67.85 MB/s          5.9
> Disk  Random 16.0 Read                       1.29 MB/s          3.6
> Responsiveness: Average IO Rate              3.87 ms/IO          5.9
> Responsiveness: Grouped IOs                  12.69 units          6.6
> Responsiveness: Long IOs                     9.56 units          7.4
> Responsiveness: Overall                      121.33 units          6.7
> Responsiveness: PenaltyFactor                0.0
> Disk  Sequential 64.0 Write                  64.96 MB/s          5.8
> Average Read Time with Sequential Writes     11.255 ms          4.2
> Latency: 95th Percentile                     70.040 ms          1.9
> Latency: Maximum                             138.490 ms          7.6
> Average Read Time with Random Writes         18.221 ms          2.8
> Total Run Time 00:02:22.16

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Latency @ 95th percentile?!?!?! :o :o :o and a 1.9??? Crap!

Just needs an SSD, would sort them scores right out and make a much better lappy  :thumbsup:   

I've had my i5 running for a good few days now and yes it feels quicker to use than my old Q9400 CPU but I wanted to see just how much faster it is, so I ran a benchmark using SIS Sandra.

It's as near as double the speed of my Q9400 as you can get, meaning to improve your WEI score from 7.4 to 7.8 requires double the CPU calculations.

Which version of Sandra are you using, Data? Just curious, as I have a (rather old) version of the benchmarking/diagnostics software lying around somewhere. :)

Using the latest version I think.

build: 2013.03.19.29

I'll have to check it out, I think. If I remember right, mine was 2k2, or something similar.

Nope! It's slightly newer. 2k4, actually. :)

QuoteIt's as near as double the speed of my Q9400 as you can get, meaning to improve your WEI score from 7.4 to 7.8 requires double the CPU calculations.

I remember Snowy saying those higher scores takes a lot of oomph.

Nice bench mark score Data  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

I can't possibly have a new WEI score and not post it, so here it is, SSD and RAM now maxed out in windows 7.

 :thumbsup: :thumbsup: ;D

VERY respectable scores for Win 7. Nice! :)

I have got the i5 overclocked to 3.9Ghz now and the memory is at 1680Mhz, computer is stable and cool. 

Now bear in mind that I'm not quite done "tweaking" everything, and this is just a preliminary score:

nice score, but you need to bring up that cpu asap lol  :P
Congrats on getting the system built and that all is working well  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Very nice score there Dave, I particularly like the graphics @ 7.9, I wonder just how much higher the score would have gone if it were aloud to go higher than 7.9, I have a feeling it will be way over with those two beautiful cards.

I'm truly impressed and happy for you  :thumbsup:   :)

Very nice and happy for you Dave.  8) :D

And yes that GPU score must really be higher because I think mine is 7.9...I forget.

Come come now Freddy, your graphics score is 7.8, (I'm a geek and remember these things  ;) ) our Dave holds the record by maxing out the score :) 

Ahh well I wasn't far out...hehe  ;D

The new box has no network connectivity at the moment because I don't have a network cable that's long enough to reach it, but I'm hoping to remedy that today.

I tried to install Windows 8 first, but the USB drive that I had created isn't an install drive, but a recovery drive. I even tried using a freshly downloaded Win 8 setup from a different thumb drive, but that also requires an internet connection, so that was a bust, too. I think I'll probably put Windows 8 on the system, and reserve Win 7 for use on a VM.

I also have to figure out how I'm going to transfer the info from the IDE HDD's on the old box to the new system, so there are still plenty of challenges ahead. :)

That is a lot of data to be moving around again, I hope all transfers smoothly.

Way to go Dave, great WEI score there. You have endured a great deal of pain and anguish to get here, so you enjoy your bragging rights for as long as they last. Well cool.  :thumbsup:

Still no overclocking, but a change to the OS:

Very impressive over all WEI, nice indeed.  8)

I can't help but think you are going to have to go some to beat my memory score of 8.2 with my £30 dual channel RAM, sorry, had to point that out  :P

nice score there Dave  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

edit, just thought something is not right there!!!! your ssd should be 8.1 or higher  :scratch-head:

here is my new rigs score

edit: after I set gpu to use nvidia surround, my gpu score dropped going from 8.1 to 8.0
so now all my scores are 8.0

Well done Syber, the best overall score we have seen and all 8's, nice and balanced in a WEI type way.  8)

Welcome to the world of serious graphics cards too.  :D

Thanks Data, though I might have to get into gaming now, with some new games lol
though the gpu was mostly purchased for my studio work :D

okay I re-did my os and here is a screenshot of the wei before I activate Nvidia Surround which drops both graphics scores to 8.0

edit: note my ssd index score went down with this new build, it use to be 8.1 :( O' well it is still blazing fast :D

Very nice Syber, I've noticed the SSD scores can fluctuate up and down too, it's all to do with free space and TRIM I believe.

That score should just be good enough to play the built in card games in Windows, just : :LOL: 

I'm not too sure Data I heard some story about windows 8 card games eating gpus for breakfast  :P

Very nice WEI score. What is the max in win8?

I want mine to go to 11!

Thanks Snowcrash, I believe the highest obtainable score is 8.9
you may need to w8 for windows 11 to be able to obtain an 11

I found out that there was a firmware update for the MoBo a few days ago, that was supposed to not only help with system stability, but also to improve Windows 8 performance. While I was at it, I also looked into a few BIOS "tweaks", and other minor things to help with performance. I think it helped a little. :)

Sweet score there Dave congrats.  :thumbsup:

Wow that has shot up, much more like the score I was expecting for your quad core with quad channel RAM.

Just checked your previous scores. That's jumped up a lot.

Looks like you've got your rig running sweet.  :thumbsup:

8.8 :O way to go Dave.  :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup: I will not be show this to Trinity for she will get jealous  :P

My WEI improved  :D

Here's my old one : http://www.datahopa.co.uk/forum/pc-hardware/show-us-your-wei/msg8029/#msg8029 (http://www.datahopa.co.uk/forum/pc-hardware/show-us-your-wei/msg8029/#msg8029)

CPU/Memory up from 7.2 to 7.6

SSD Up from 7.7 to 7.9

GPU remains the same for now.

Not quite in the league of Dave's or Syber's beasts, but for around £350.00 I think it's pretty good  :D

It does seem faster just in general, even snappier than the old build.  Looking forward to the gaming  :D

Looking good mate  :thumbsup:

Very nice to see the SSD is now maxed out on the SATA 3.

Thanks :)

Do the CPU and RAM look right to you ?

I thought your RAM was the same as what I bought, but I thought your RAM was coming up faster in the WEI  :scratch-head:

Or is that because you are over-clocking it ?

And oh yeah SATA 3, I had forgotten about that  8)

Yes I have tweaked my RAM, by default I think it was scoring 7.6 like yours, I would say your scores do look correct for just plugging them in without any tweaking. 

Well, you can forget about mine, I'm afraid. upgrading to Windows 7 (yes, that's what I meant) dropped my WEI to all 7.9's save for the CPU, which is 7.8. I don't have any ~REAL~ graphics apps reinstalled yet, so no image yet, but once I do, I'll post it.

Really nice WEI score there Freddy, congrats  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

QuoteWEI to all 7.9's save for the CPU, which is 7.8

Dave  :o that your cpu only gives a 7.8 after being an 8.8 on windows 8

Win7 top is 7.9, win8 top is 8.9.

It's just to make you feel better. The speed is the same.

Quote from: Snowcrash on July 30, 2013, 07:38:52 AM
Win7 top is 7.9, win8 top is 8.9.

It's just to make you feel better. The speed is the same.

Snowy that isn't quite right

The windows 8 scale has been recalibrated but it does also go up further, so a maxxed out SSD in win 7 @ 7.9 might only get a WEI of 8.1 in win 8.

Therefore Dave's processor should be maxed out @ a 7.9 my reason for being  :o

I admit to being a little confused over Daves super fast win 8 score, with overclocking you could possibly gain another .2 or something like that, that's what I squeezed out of my old i5p and RAM.

But Dave does have a rather special mobo and quad channel RAM, I haven't had the privilege of playing around with them so anything is possible.   

Now thanks to Mr Data's advice it's improved again  :thumbsup:

CPU up from 7.6 to 7.7

And a striking RAM up from 7.6 to 7.9  8)

Wow, now you're talking, the RAM is maxed out and the CPU went up .1 too.  8)

Yes I was pleasantly surprised.  I think crossing my fingers helped ;)

Wow much better there Freddy congrats :D

Here is a nice little WEI

Dual core Pentium (Haswell)

4 GIG of RAM

Kingston V300 120GIG SSD

Built on a budget, RAM is quiet expensive right now the 4 GIG is holding it back a little because the on-bard HD graphics is taking some RAM.

Very impressed with the SSD, it's maxing it out to 7.9 and feels very snappy on the desktop, I couldn't really tell it apart from the OCZ's.

Very nice, Data! :thumbsup:

That's nice.  :thumbsup:

Yeah I think the Kingston SSD's look pretty good, I recently did a build with a SanDisk Pulse and that didn't feel as quick and would only WEI at 7.4 for me.

Here is the WEI for the R9 270, I noticed the CPU score has dropped, I must be using a lower BCLK on the CPU overclock.

Can any CPU actually hit 7.9 yet I wonder :scratch-head:

It seems that the i7 4770k can hit 7.8 but not make 7.9
http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18538398 (http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showthread.php?t=18538398)

It's all fun though. :)

Nice  :D

Data, that's only 1 point below my WEI. VERY nice! :thumbsup:

You know, I've been thinking that since we all know that WEI isn't really the best way to judge our computers performance, it may not be a bad idea to find some other way to do so. After all WEI isn't all that accurate. So I did some 'digging', and found this article (http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/5-free-benchmark-programs/). Several of the solutions look very promising, and I've actually used a couple of them in the past (way back in the day when I didn't object to having pirated software). What say we give one or more of these free solutions a go? :)

Thanks chaps  ;)

Mean with his money Data didn't do too bad  ;D

I think I've tried most of them benchmark tools Dave, I like the WEI and the way it scores all things together in one simple to read format, it is a great little guide.

If we were to do some more in-depth testing we need another thread.  :P  :)

grats on the higher WEI score Data, looking good  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

@Data:

Yeah, I got that. Wouldn't want to hijack this thread for other benchmarking. That would be bad. ;)

New WEI...both graphics scores went from 7.8 up to 7.9  8)

Snap!  :D

Very nice! :)

congrats Freddy  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Thanks guys, I have to say I am really please with my new toys  :D

And here's my new WEI.

Spot on Snowy  :thumbsup:

Nice  :thumbsup: 8)

Another member of the 7.8 club! Welcome! :D

way to go Snowcrash  :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

Funny how time flies, Data started this thread four years ago now. Look how much faster our PCs are now  8)

  WEI  7.3   in Win 8 slowest is the graphics, Nvidia Gforce GTX 250, bought it because at the time the processor alone cost over $500.  It has the hot swappable disks which comes in handy.
I can't find a WEI in win 8.1.
Carl2

Windows 8.1 did away with WEI scores, Carl. Well, that's not exactly true, but they've made it harder to find. This article (http://howto.cnet.com/8301-11310_39-57616440-285/find-your-windows-experience-index-scores-in-windows-8.1/) outlines how to access the tool, though I have yet to try it. :)

I just followed the instructions in that article on my Windows 8.1 virtual machine and here are the results:


__GENUS               : 2
__CLASS               : Win32_WinSAT
__SUPERCLASS          :
__DYNASTY             : Win32_WinSAT
__RELPATH             : Win32_WinSAT.TimeTaken="MostRecentAssessment"
__PROPERTY_COUNT      : 8
__DERIVATION          : {}
__SERVER              : DMORTON-WIN8-32
__NAMESPACE           : root\cimv2
__PATH                : \\DMORTON-WIN8-32\root\cimv2:Win32_WinSAT.TimeTaken="MostRecentAssessment"
CPUScore              : 5.6
D3DScore              : 3
DiskScore             : 7
GraphicsScore         : 2
MemoryScore           : 7.5
TimeTaken             : MostRecentAssessment
WinSATAssessmentState : 1
WinSPRLevel           : 2
PSComputerName        : DMORTON-WIN8-32


Which is probably the most pathetic WEI score ever posted here. :o :D

 :scratch-head: um Dave! 32 bit windows 8. I did not think anyone would consider buying the 32 bit version besides oem's

It's on a VM, so doesn't need to take up the room or resources that the 64 bit version uses up. :P

Ahh IC, I knew there must of been a logical reason for the madness  ;)