Datahopa

MS have released a beta version of IE9; I'm running it now and it seems ok so far.

IE9 brings us HTML5, GPU rendering and more.

http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/

Sorry but I wish it would simply go away and not bother me any more  :P

LOL Freddy, I doubt you are the only one who thinks about IE in that way.  ;)

I had to uninstall IE9 but did get to try it out for a while, over all I think its was pretty good.

The reason I had to remove it was nothing to do with browsing the Internet, it was good at that but it seemed to upset windows 7 in other ways, Live mail would not display e-mails correctly, in fact e-mails were impossible to read, It also up-set the gadgets on the desktop and some HTML in windows was messed up, things like help files not displaying right, It makes you realise how important IE is to windows, it does much more than browse the web.

On the plus side browsing the web was the fastest Ive ever seen it, I know we have heard this before but this time there was a noticeable speed increase this is partly down to IE9's "Speed Reading" "Take full advantage of your hardware with background compiled JavaScript" they say.

There are a number of tests out there that prove IE9 is fast, most made by MS it must be pointed out, but IE9 easily beats IE8, Chrome and Firefox on every test I tried.

This test is a perfect example, when running IE9 my pc finished it in 9 seconds, IE8 can't even run it, Chrome will run it but so slow I gave up waiting and Firefox was even slower for me.

http://ie.microsoft.com/testdrive/Performance/SpeedReading/Default.html

I'm gona install IE9 once its out of Beta for sure, its going to change our web experience and most of it is down to its hardware capabilities me thinks  8)

Speed is a good thing, but honestly at the moment Chrome is generally fast enough for me.  I will give IE9 a whirl some time with my fingers crossed that they got something right.  HTML5 can't be a bad thing but I wish they would fix all of the bugs that afflict IE first - it really is a pain to design for and makes life a misery when you have spent hours working on a site only to find that, surprise surprise it doesn't work in IE.

Rant over  :-X

Freddy,
  Thanks for ranting, been waiting for more input before installing it myself.  In the past I'd played with browsers, haven't tried anything since Vista.  IE9 sound like it will be good when the bugs are removed.
Carl2

You are welcome to my rant Carl  :D

Anyone know if it has a 64 bit version and if that works with Flash now ?

When you download IE9 it asks you what version of windows you have, if you have 32 bit windows then you download the 32 bit IE9 if you have 64 bit windows you download IE9 with both 32 and 64 bit versions.

There is still no support for Flash in 64 bit browsers, making them as good as useless.

  I'm using Google chrome now while downloading IE9, mine is 64 bit.  IE can't even get into Verizon my ISP.  Chrome can get in I like it but I"m use to the favorites to go to websites, just got use to it. Earlier Verizon posted Chrome is not supported, now the posting is gone.  I just got a message from microsoft about IE 8 having some problem.  When not using IE8 the task mgr still shows it running, can be up to 8 IE8's running.  Let you know how IE 9 works for me, time to restart.
Carl2

  I tried the IE9, still wasn't happy, Norton still had problems with the Adware Hotbar,  it had to keep removing it.  I downloaded Spybot Search and destroy which I've used in the past. Ran the spybot and found the Adware is connected to Sarfari. It found a long list of problems and fixed them.
  I'll have to wait and see how things work out.  Oh, IE9 had me download a newer version of Adobe for video.
Carl2

You haven't been looking at too many dodgy sites have you Carl2 :LOL:

Keep us posted on your IE9 experience, I'm considering downloading it again, it was in early beta last time I tried but now its up to RC something, I guess it should have improved a bit. 

  Dodgy  wiki:  Dodgy are an English powerpop rock trio
Not sure what you'r saying  Dodgy.  In my search for 3D characters I did visit a lot of  adult sites.  Have about 6 programs I downloaded.
  I was at Zabaware earlier, IE9 couldn't open a link, Tried Chrome and that works with the link.  Over all chrome seems better, faster, ect  just use to using IE because of favorites and I shut down chrome by mistake.  Getting freezes or delays I can see while typing probably from using the Spybot or it may be Haptek running in the background, just shut it down and it seems okay now.
  I did notice IE9 looks very familar to Chrome.
Carl2

I was only joking with you Carl2  :D

Dodgy must be an English word then or something like that.

Dodgy = Of uncertain outcome; especially fraught with risk.

IE 9 is still being developed so I guess your link not working might be something to do with that, though you would have thought if anything was going to work it world be clicking links. :scratch-head:

  I just reset all the settings back to the default in IE9,  took out all the options and it seems to be working okay, since the reset it seems to have speeded up a little.  I think both sides of the Atlantic have there own way of saying things. 
  When I finish using IE yesterday I looked in the taskmgr, I still had 30 something IE running.  If Notron didn't take care of it spybot should have.  Only two IE at this time.
Carl2

I really don't like the sound of all those IE's running, I think if it was me I would wipe the Windows drive clean and re-install, and now is a good time to do it because of the release of SP1.  You shouldn't need to install a couple of hundred up-dates.

  Well it happened, I killed IE9,  All of a sudden to me at least it wouldn't open the homepage, wanted to look for a solution, wanted to close internet explorer. A small mesanger said it stopped working.  Chrome worked, tried to reinstall IE9 but it wouldn't install because it was working with ie9 not ie8 i think.  I had a problem in the past and did a complete OS reinstall.  I've already started moving things so I can make a disk of things I've collected.  The solution for now is a restore which got ie9 running and the restore said it couldn't work because of an error. 
Carl2

You can uninstall IE9 from the system Carl2, that might actually mend IE8 as well, its worth a try.

To uninstall Internet Explorer
The following instructions apply to both Windows 7 and Windows Vista.

1.   Click the Start button  , type Programs and Features in the search box,
             and then click View installed updates in the left pane.

2.   Under Uninstall an update, scroll down to the Microsoft Windows section.

3.   Right-click Windows Internet Explorer 9, click Uninstall, and then, when prompted, click Yes.

4.   Click one of the following:

·   Restart now (to finish the process of uninstalling Internet Explorer 9, and
             restore the previous  version of Internet Explorer).

·   Restart later (to wait until you shut down or restart your computer).

  Thanks for the info Data, I tried doing a reinstall, then a uninstall and reinstall.  What ended up working for me was a system restore from a restore point only a few days ago.
Carl2

Glad you got it sorted out ok Carl2.

Incidentally IE9 final version is being released on March 14th 2011, as I'm typing this its tomorrow, looking forward to installing it, and as we know, if for what ever reason we don't like it, we can remove it and revert to IE8. 

Have installed IE9, seems to be better than the beta was, those annoying bugs I was getting have gone. Lets see how it goes over the next week or so.

Now I have IE9 installed I thought I would have another go at running it in 64-bit, and surprisingly I've had success this time, the last time I tried I couldn't get flash to run making it as much as useless for me.

Now there is a 64-bit flash player, still in development stages, but it seems ok so far and there is also 64-bit Java both work in IE9.

So how do you run 64-bit IE9 ?

You must have 64-bit Vista or 64-bit Windows 7 for a start  :)

Download and Install Internet Explorer 9
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/en/default.aspx

To run IE in 64-bit
type "Internet Explorer" into the start menu, then select Internet Explorer 64-bit

Download and install the 64-bit flash player
http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10_square.html

Download and install 64-bit Java
http://www.java.com/en/download/manual.jsp


NOTE for Diesel, forget about the 64-bit stuff but you might want to go and download the new IE9 from the link above, its got to be better than your broken IE8.

Am I the only one to be using IE9 in 64-bit? 

So far I have this to say about it.

Good god its fast  :o,
so fast that when I do a refresh on some sites, Aidreams for example, you don't see it do it, so I end up refreshing again just to make sure.

I have had the beta flash player get a bit screwed up once, but that was easily sorted out by navigating away from the page that was causing it and then back again.

Since I've started using 64-bit I haven't used 32-bit IE9 once.

is it perfect? No, show me a browser that is.  ;)

Data,
  I have win 7 64 bit,  when I go to what was the start ( now a ball ) I can start Internet Explorer (64 bit) or Internet Explorer which I think is a 32 bit version.
When I downloaded IE9 i'm pretty sure I downloaded the 64 bit version for the 64 bit OS. 
Carl2

When you download IE9 the page should detect your OS and will give you the correct version.

If on a 32-bit OS you are given the 32-bit IE9

If on a 64-bit OS you are given a download that contains both 32 and 64-bit IE9, should you try to install only 32-bit into a 64-bit OS it will fail, I know because I tried it  :D

You can check if you are running IE9 in 64-bit from the "help, about internet explorer" tab.


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  I just checked my version, it dose not specify 32 or 64 bit.  I think this one was downloaded just before the final version was announced.  Okay I just checked the IE that is 64 bit, it says it is the 64 bit version,  with IE8 I had the 64 bit and the 32 bit.
  Wanted to mention I just ran spybot search and destroy, took awhile but it seems things are quicker, also dropped verizon as the homepage since it takes so long to load.
Carl2

Just installed IE9 and had a quick look.  Seems like they copied things from Chrome, like the most visited sites tab.  Shame they did not copy the 'Paste and Go' idea or maybe that would be going to far.  Still no webkit...

I'll try it out a bit more, but I doubt I will use it much apart from testing web pages, I am happy with Chrome.

I thought it was a lot like Chrome too, the things you mentioned Freddy and even its snappiness.

At the end of the day, we have to run IE for a couple of reasons...
so we might as well have the latest, that's how I see it.

I am running IE9 now. Looks nice and snazzie.

I wish the favs were on the left not the right. I seem to move the mouse more now. Can do favs from the pull down menu with 'menu bar' on but the browser doesn't look as good then.

When downloading it now appears as an overlay in the window at the bottom which is a bit weird. And the command bar is now an overlay (can put it back to original).

Does Duskrider know he's running IE6?

You'd be better off with Mozilla or Chrome, or IE8 at least.

Or am I being a browser snob?

Its odd isn't it, some people just point blank refuse to up-grade IE, I'm guessing they hear or read of horror stories about how bad the latest versions are and think damm it, this works why change. They are happy with what they have and blissfully unaware of what they are missing.

Personally I would never buy or send personal information over the web through IE6, way too dodgy.

Yep and all those lovely viruses floating around looking for older browsers...  :o

I have found a fault with downloading within IE9.

If I download multiple items and then close the tabs that the downloads started from before they've finished, they sometimes (twice now) stop at 99%. Weird.

Not sure of exact problem but it seems fine if I download 'em 1 at a time and/or keep the relevent tabs open until the download is finished.

Sounds like a bug, cant say I've downloaded much in IE9 so haven't noticed it.

I had a look at this site on a machine with IE8 on today, and the rounded edges don't work in it, so I up-graded it to IE9 :D

How about a 'center' justification in the gallery?

Does look better with the rounded corners.

Yeah I think it looks better too  8)

Not sure what you mean, to me it is all centred? 

The gallery regular pages
http://www.datahopa.co.uk/forum/gallery/?cat=1

all are left justified in IE9 but ok in chrome etc

I thought on those pages the text looked better on the left, it does have a little bug in IE9 where its further over to the left than it should be which doesn't look too good.

I'm not sure, and your suggestion has been noted ;D

Found this joke and it made me laugh.

Thought I'd put it in the IE thread.

http://www.lukesurl.com/archives/3039 (http://www.lukesurl.com/archives/3039)

So IE9...

I've been trying it the past few days and I would say it's OK - maybe a little less than okay and certainly not something special.

Niggles...

Sometimes when entering text the text box freezes.
Sometimes the arrow keys don't work right in text areas.
Logins to web password protected areas seems hit and miss.
Logins to the same do not (seem) to allow copy and paste, which is no good when you use strong passwords.
Scrolling the screen is jerky sometimes.
If you scroll down a page and it has youtube videos (maybe indeed all embedded flash) if the cursor is over a video you can't scroll any more, so you have to move the mouse to another part of the screen.
There is no spelling checker built in.
It does not import bookmarks from a flat HTML file properly - whole chunks are missing from my book marks.  And whole folders.

Well that's a few thing that I remember for the moment.

Of course like has already been said, they tried to copy the good stuff from Chrome.  That shows they no longer lead to me.

As far as those niggles go, Google Chrome has none of those problems. Niggles is perhaps an understatement somewhat.

So I have gone back to Chrome and it is so much nicer :)

It's like that advert...if you listen carefully it sounds like a Golf...

Well why not just have the best one in the first place  :LOL:

Another thing I just remembered is Java doesn't seem to work, despite downloading the current version.

Last night I tried to view the Revolver map in IE and it would not work.  Today I viewed it with Chome and it worked perfectly  8)

I didn't think you would stay with it Freddy but i do think you make some valid points.

Let me come to IE9's rescue, if that is possible  :LOL:


The java thing is a 32 / 64 bit problem depending on which version you use, you need both installed, that's how I got over that.

Fonts look nicer in IE9, they seem to render smoother, to my eyes.

I don't like the red border Chrome puts round form inputs.

Bookmarks seem clumsy and not well thought out in Chrome.

The way IE shows you what is in every tab on the task bar when you hover over, is good.  

IE integrates with windows better, the task bar thumbnails and MSE.

And it actually starts up quicker than Chrome for me too, even though google say Chrome is the fastest, I can't agree with that.

I do use Chrome still but IE is my number one.

Hehe, no problem a lot of this is down to personal preference and chrome ticks a lot of the right boxes for me.

I did noticed the fonts are smoothed in IE9 - I found the W's to be washed out though - my eyes are used to Chrome now.

I got used to the bookmarks system in Chrome and I like it.

Chrome will show you everything you need to know about a page too and a lot of stuff that you really would not need too lol.  It's developer features are superior to IE imho..

Chrome and IE both start up fast here, I don't see any difference on my machine.

I really do not like the cramped address/search bar in IE, it's confusing - Chrome's is much bigger and clearer and simpler to use.  That's one of the most important things and MS have just made something very clumsy.

But we could blabber away about these differences all day.  The decision is made for me by Chrome itself - it works well, it's fast, has a lot of nice features and doesn't have those annoying problems that I mention above, which for me I just can't work with or be bothered to sort out.

I do think IE9 is OK though, but I won't be using it much.  SO I am the opposite  :P

BTW, on the speed front, I do think IE has caught up with Chrome, here they are working at about the same speed as far as I can see...

You will like this Freddy  ;D

What cramped address/search bar?

IE loads quicker for me by at least 0.25 of a second  :-*

I did say I would try to rescue IE9  :LOL:


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LOL - hmm should I lose sleep over 0.25 of a second ?  :LOL:

Yeah it's small and cramped, you can't see the address, when you type stuff in you can't tell what junk it has found from your history...

Silly little small icons, like the refresh button and whatever those other things are.  I want BIG buttons that I can see properly and not misclick  :o

And why no 'Paste & Search' ?

Far too cumbersome for the likes of me  :D

Maybe there are some settings somewhere...but I just don't have the enthusiasm for it.



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Hmm did you not see the massive address bar I posted above  :)

In IE9 the address bar is also the search bar, you don't need a search box like you have and you can paste anything into the address bar, if its not a url it will use you search provider instead.   

Yes I saw the big address bar, I guess I need to change some setting to get that ?

I understand the search bar is combined with address, but I just don't think it is as elegant and as easy to use as in Chrome.

They did well making the back and forward buttons bigger and clearer, it's just a shame they did not extend that to the other oft used functions.

It's just too fiddly for me.

The paste and search in Chrome is a one click operation as I am sure you know.

In IE you have to paste it in then press the minuscule arrow button - all very fiddly.

To be honest I had forgotten how to enlarge the address bar ;D, but now I remember, right click on the right hand end of the address bar and click "Show tabs on a separate row".   

I find Chromes favourites way to fiddly, I still can't fully get my head round them, in IE I can drag a url from the address bar and plonk it in the favourites bar, very easy.

I'll give it a go then thanks :)

It has to be said that both of these browsers will do the job, I'm just picking the one that works best for me and that's all we need to do.

I will still check out IE10 when it comes along.  I do believe IE is better security wise, and I do use it for things like that where security is an issue. There's good and bad about both of them, I just prefer Chrome for everyday stuff and at the moment as I have listed above, IE fails to deliver the experience I want from a browser.

Re the favourites....yes in Chrome you can also highlight the link in the address bar and drag it to your bookmarks.  You can also drag it to the desktop and make a short cut there if you want.

They both do that really useful thing of dragging an image to the desktop which is nice.

About the favourites, although I like it, I would like to be able to dock the favourites into the main window like IE can.  I think that's the main thing that throws people that are used to IE.  As far as I know in Chrome you have to open the bookmarks on a new page to get that kind of access.  Or just use the drop down.  I'm not sure really which is the best way to do it.

Having bookmarks beside the page is nice in IE, but I can also live with just a simple drop down that Chrome uses.

Ok, call me stubborn, but I still prefer FF over either Chrome or IE. About the only thing I use any other browser for is just to test web pages. For me, Firefox is "fast enough", since life is too short to worry about milliseconds, and since I'm so very familiar and comfortable with the way things work in FF. I must be getting older, because I seem to be "set in my ways:. :P

Yes I agree it's all about what you are used to really and what you like the most.  I was impressed with Opera too the last time I looked at it.  Hey at least we have a choice these days :)

I like Firefox's HTML tidy plugin...Firebug or something ?  Handy little tool.

Anyway, if you don't hear from me for a bit then it's because I have some tummy bug at the moment, it's been visiting me every day or two for a week now.  SO joyful to spend 5 hours of night in my bathroom doubled up in pain uuurrrrghhh.  Anyway today things seem better, just haven't felt like going online much.

Did wonder where you had been, hadn't seen you on-line, started to wonder if you had had some trouble with the SSD, glad you haven't but not glad that you are feeling unwell though  :( 

Hope you feel better soon :)

Thanks mate, I had thought I had seen the last of it, but it decided to come back.  Hey, at least being online you guys can't catch it from me  :D

SSD is fine btw  :thumbsup:

I know this is going to sound just awful, and I sincerely hope it's taken in the way it's intended, but I think it's much better to have a (minor) stomach bug than to have troubles with the new hardware. WE heal, after all, whereas the computer doesn't. :) Get well soon, Freddy.

I know what you mean Dave, but believe me if you were in as much pain as I was Thursday night for something like 5 hours non stop I think you would have settled for a dodgy bit of hardware ;)

Sorry your not feeling Freddy, Hope you get well soon.
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