Quote from: Freddy on September 04, 2015, 11:34:40 AM
What I like about the OC is it only goes to 4Ghz when it needs to and I think (from watching CPUz) that when it's slower it underclocks.

It is a valid point.

  " unlocked K type CPU's "I've seen that somewhere and had no Idea what they were talking about.  I had just recalled  a motherboard where you clicked on something and it would run through a process to overclock things, must be old technology. 
  Seems like it would cost about 1000 to update the Gateway for a 5820,  I also noticed the Samsung SSD's are M.2 while Intel's are meant for the PCI e slot and are larger and cost more.
Carl2

Overclocking used to be done by increasing the bus speed on the motherboard, that would then in-turn speed up the CPU, RAM and other components on the motherboard, which made it harder to get the PC stable.

Now it's mostly done by increasing the multiplier on the CPU and leaving the bus alone. The K type CPU's have no limit to the amount of multiplier you can give them, they are unlocked. None K types always have a limit to the multiplier and its normally around 3.6 to 3.8Ghz. 

I wonder if the SSD slow down effect is less of a problem with the M.2.

http://www.howtogeek.com/165542/why-solid-state-drives-slow-down-as-you-fill-them-up/

They recommend not going above 75% - which I have not done yet anyway and I don't notice any slow downs.

My best guess.

I should think the slow down problem will still be there on these new SSD's, they will still have to erase any data in the block before it could get written to. However as they are so much faster to start with the problem would be less noticeable.

Also:
You don't really notice the SSD slow down when reading from the disk it only seems to effect writing speeds.

  I had tried posting earlier and when I hit post I lost the web page.  I tried connecting again and was unable to. Anyways prices continue dropping for the SSD's I'm buying 250 Gb so there shouldn't be any problems with filling the drive.  I did have a 120 Gb Intel that was loaded and didn't notice any difference in performance.
Carl2

Carl2
Sorry about the lost connection to the site, it is a long way from the sites server to you, something like 3000 miles, I think. 

You don't really notice when the drives slow down but if you run a benchmark on them you can see the speed starts to reduce as they get full up. 

Windows 10 has a really nice disk optimiser built in that performs TRIM on SSD's and defrag on HDD's, if we keep the SSD's trimmed it should help to stop the slow downs. To be fair I don't think the TRIM in Win 7 was all that good.

I just run TRIM on my SSD's and took a screenshot, it wasn't easy doing the screen shot because it takes less than a second to TRIM, but I managed it.


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The first thing I noticed was the M.2 support at the top,  I'm in win 8.1 and can't find that.  But I think I tried it in win 10.  I've got 3 drives, Intel 160 with win 10. 120 Intel with win 8.1 32 Gb used after win 8.1 install and 79 Gb free.  It takes a while for the Intel tool to work and it only works for Intel SSD's.  Also the Kingston storage drive 60 Gb that holds the passwords
  Seems the least expensive way to go is an upgrade kit, 5820, Asus Mb,
and 16 Gb mem.  Not sure if you need a newer PS and the mother b is talking USB 3.1.  The Gateway is getting older but for me it's still quick enough, all the SSD's must Gen 1, the CPU i7-950 3.06GHz is no longer sold.  There price is 870 and my price for 3 parts is 708, great review for the MSI board so I'll stick with it.  No rush now I've already got a backup computer, wait till things settle down and maybe prices will go down.  Have to see how Freddy does on the M.2 which is probably what I will use now.
Carl2

If PS is Power Supply then you can find a few calculators online. I used this one : http://outervision.com/power-supply-calculator

I didn't need a new one myself, I had quite a beefy one that I bought as a long term cunning plan.

What MSI MB have you got your eye on ?

  I do use PS for power supply, not much on typing.  I'd gone with a 650 W PS and the recommendation is for 408 W, I'm not sure how many watts the Gateway now has in it but actually I'm concerned about the pins which I believe change from time to time, but I could be wrong on that.
This is what I have so far
9-1-15

  Intel Core i7-5820K Haswell-E 6-Core 3.3GHz LGA 2011-v3   389
    MSI X99A Raider LGA 2011-v3 Intel                                   199
    MSI GeForce GTX 960 GTX 960 4GD5T OC 4GB                   229
    SAMSUNG SM951 M.2 256GB PCI-Express 3.0                     219
    CORSAIR Vengeance LPX 16GB (4 x 4GB)                           119
    Antec EarthWatts EA-650                                                    75 
    Intel BXTS13X Water/Liquid                                                 80 
 
  I'm going with water cooling and it's been in use long enough so it should be reliable, you'll notice I stuck with Intel, has very good reviews.  I'm very concerned about fitting everything inside the case.
Carl2



   

That all looks nice Carl2.

I'm not sure why you would need that graphics card, it's really meant for gaming and as you are not much of a gamer, to my mind it's overkill.

I can't help thinking something like this would be easily fast enough for you.

http://www.ebuyer.com/652164-msi-gt-730-oc-2gb-ddr3-vga-dvi-hdmi-pci-e-graphics-card-n730k-2gd3-oc

Yes looks nice

I got a Zalman cooler for the CPU in the end.

If you're worried about that all fitting in the case then measure up first, especially the GPU.

The trickiest part was the cooler I found but it wasn't too bad.

Data, got to admit you are probably right, nice price you've found also.  Guess I went with 4 Gb because that is what the HP has, just realized  the gateway has only I Gb mem now, thought it was 2, it's a GeForce GTX 285 and I can't complain.  Thinking this is for the future and should at least be as good as the HP and preferably better.  Maybe I'll play with Daz again in the future and that depends on what Freddy shows me although I'm trying not to pressure him. 
There is Freddy now, a Zalman cooler and so far I'm going with water because of spacing and it's said basically the CPU will be cooler according to reviews.  I've heard of people buying the gpu's and not having them fit in, as you say measurements.  You haven't mentioned it so I am guessing the motherboards USB 3.1 works with the cases USB 3 output.  No rush, lots of options in the planning of this.  I was really thinking about slipping a PCI E SSD into one of the computers to try it out but that is not possible.
Carl2

Carl2
I just didn't want you to spend more money then you really needed to, also bear in mind that new technology is coming to graphics cards soon with High Bandwidth Memory (HBM). It might be wise to spend less now then further down the line get a more modern card. With PC's we build ourselves we have that luxury.

The only time I've seen water cooling to be worthwhile is in gamer rigs with 1 or 2 GeForce graphics cards (they tend to run hotter than the AMDs).
Even then, they water cool the graphics cards only or graphics and CPU. Not CPU only.

If it's in a hot environment then money on AC would be better for the user too.